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Re: QQ v unknown on scary board
what hand can we beat if a spade hits the river?
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Re: QQ v unknown on scary board
Why not bet/fold? The dude isn't going to bluff, or even semi-bluff on this board - at least not often enough to be problematic. And it's easy to fold if a spade rivers and villain donks.
Will |
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Re: QQ v unknown on scary board
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what hand can we beat if a spade hits the river? -WT [/ QUOTE ] probably not many, maybe TJ or something, but the pot is small and he wont have that very often here i was just wondering, i think if a spade hits we pretty much have to fold against an unknown, if were up against a peel any flop type guy then i think the descision gets closer(turn descision), but this is a scarier flop than most and i dont think most 10/20 guys are this type, so a check is probably right without a read, but i still think its close |
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Re: QQ v unknown on scary board
Checking probably induces a bluff, which is a great way to get money into the pot when you're actually ahead. Raising if you make a straight seems OK, but you have to think of which losing hands will pay off two bets. It may be pretty close to a no raise, actually.
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Re: QQ v unknown on scary board
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Why not bet/fold? The dude isn't going to bluff, or even semi-bluff on this board - at least not often enough to be problematic. And it's easy to fold if a spade rivers and villain donks. Will [/ QUOTE ] I agree if you know the opponent never or rarely would semibluff checkraise the turn with a flush draw or a flush and gutshot or a flush and OESD. But if you don't know the opponent can you count on that enough to confidently fold to a checkraise? |
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Re: QQ v unknown on scary board
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Why not bet/fold? The dude isn't going to bluff, or even semi-bluff on this board - at least not often enough to be problematic. And it's easy to fold if a spade rivers and villain donks. Will [/ QUOTE ] Villain w/K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]= turn semi-bluff 100% of the time. Villain w/lesser [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]= turn semi-bluff a somewhat lesser % of the time. Point is semi-bluff is very real possiblility. |
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Re: QQ v unknown on scary board
hey brett,
i am betting this turn with it being the last bet i put into the pot unless i improve |
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Re: QQ v unknown on scary board
A semibluff CR here is just not as likely as people are expecting. A semibluff donk bet perhaps, and that produces a whole nother line of thinking, but not a semibluff CR.
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Re: QQ v unknown on scary board
A read is really important on what the correct decision is here.
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Re: QQ v unknown on scary board
I think vs. an unknown, you have to bet and make it the last bet you but in w/o improvement.
I have no idea what an unknown 10/20 UTG limpers standards are, but I would think that you probably see a fold here a lot. |
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