Internet VS. B&M.....Which is easier to beat? - Page 2

Homer · #11 02-12-2003, 10:46 PM

First you want me to go to work, now you want me to actually DO work?! You're a freakin slave driver!

Plzr · #12 02-13-2003, 12:00 AM

Right off I can tell you that anything 4-8 and lower will be unbeatable in a B & M game.Why? because the rake is too big in relation to the action.6-12 would be the minimun, if you have a high ev.
Another huge difference will be "Personality"! Yours & theirs and how well you can assimilate, respond, and control them. Online poker is an extremely "dry" activity. Your feedback from the other players is severly limited. Often times you are playing a purely "technical" game. That just won't work in a live game. You will NEED to be able to get a read on players and have multiple strategies for how you intend to prosecute your game!
Personally, for these reasons I find online games practically worthless. Poker is best with real bodies at the table and I wish you well escaping from the Poker Matrix. [img]/forums/images/icons/cool.gif[/img]

JoeyT · #13 02-13-2003, 10:20 AM

"Right off I can tell you that anything 4-8 and lower will be unbeatable in a B & M game.Why? because the rake is too big in relation to the action.6-12 would be the minimun, if you have a high ev."

Ugh... not this discussion again. BUT, since dande may not have read one of the thousand of these threads... I'll do it anyway.

I disagree completely. I think 3/6 and 4/8 games, even with the high % rake, are very beatable, and many people can do it.

There. Hopefully we won't get into this again here.

Dande: Just know that some people think they're unbeatable, while some people think they are beatable (mainly b/c they beat them).

dande1135 · #14 02-13-2003, 10:50 AM

Thank You for all the thoughtful responses.
I have built a decent bankroll online and I will take a shot in the near future.

Dande

Rube · #15 02-13-2003, 09:02 PM

There are worse players at B&M cardrooms, especially at lower limits, but the rake, tipping and longer wait between hands make it close. I think if you're doing well online, you'll do well in 3-6 and 5-10 B&M games.

Plzr · #16 02-14-2003, 12:00 AM

yeah , well I would not be in a position to know what amount of experience you are basing your opinion on but my suspicion is that you haven't spent alot of time at it.Could be you were thinking that I said that no one could be winners for any particular day.That's not what I meant to imply,I was referring to the long run.
Perhaps you have only played sporadically,or played on weekend trips to somewhere and managed to tame the Fri-sat night games!My sense of it is that you may just be passing along your impression of how you think you do.
To be honest, I have known a FEW individuals who were steady winners at LL HE. They had LOTS of experience and LOTS of discipline.These qualities gave them EV's of about 2-3 BB's/hr of which the rake consumed more than half!! They would have made LOTS more $$ if they moved up a notch or two but they had their reasons for not.
So I suppose I should be more specific when I allow that Casino LL HE is unbeatable.Here it is.... "Unless you have a serious TALENT and EXPERIENCE advantage over the table you will do no better than break even in the long run!!! Even at that you would still need to be able to apply those advantages over the long run.
Some places have spread exceptional 3/6 or 4/8 games over the years. In the late 90's, The High Desert Casino near Victorville,Ca comes to mind. Someone could beat that game easy enough because the action was mindless. Find a place like that and disregard anything I,ve said here. lol
It's not like I am just making this stuff up either, I have logged over 35,000 hours(+$550,000+) over a span of 27 years and I worked full time for ten of those.
It's probably just easier to say that if you are good enough to beat a 3/6,4/8 casino game day in and day out, then you are clearly playing too low! So anyone who claims to do so is kind of suspect to me.

rkiray · #17 02-14-2003, 01:27 AM

The problem is even bigger than you describe. You can also use hand histories to create databases of hands. There are programs you can buy to make this easy. This is a nice advantage for people who use it. Suddenly your memory becomes picture perfect.

Rick

Plzr · #18 02-14-2003, 03:08 AM

When I referred to the High Desert Casino earlier I meant the "late 80's and it is located in Adelanto , Ca" [img]/forums/images/icons/blush.gif[/img]

Ed I · #19 02-15-2003, 12:40 PM

The 3-6 games at the High Desert were probably the best low limit games I've ever played in. I spent a couple of winters there.

SunTzu68 · #20 02-19-2003, 12:13 PM

Although you should do fine in a B&M cardroom it also depends on where you play. Connecticut is much different than the Taj, which is much different than Vegas, and California is it's own world.

I'm also much less likely to get bored in a live game because I am paying so much attention to others play where online I have a good notebook (and I tend to play with the same players.) And, this may sound silly but pay attention to how you dress. I prefer to have a very neat appearance in a live cardroom usually wearing darker colors. It adds to the tight image I like to portray.

Good luck!