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08-22-2005, 02:29 PM
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May I be the weak/tight contrarian?
Dear All:
I disagree with the actions and the two recommendations mentioned for the following 3 reasons: 1. I don't like the bet on the flop. This seems like a GREAT check/raise opportunity. But, you want to see what happens in front of you. I would of waited to see if the 4th diamond hits on the turn or the board pairs before risking all my chips frankly. But, that's just me. BTW, I'm not excited about the call preflop either, but that is a preference. I do not like playing a VERY marginal hand multi-way, out of position, even if I can get in on the discount. 2. Bob Ciaffone says that big bet poker is not about making superb calls with marginal hands. Rather, it is about extracting extra money from those who are drawing almost dead OR using scare cards to push better hands off of them IF it has a reasonable chance to happen. With two all ins in front of you, you have to think your hand is AT best, very susceptible to redraws of various kinds. You are either WAY behind or not that far ahead USUALLY. Why put your money in in that kind of situation? I would have folded after the second all in for this reason. 3. Lee Jones hammers home the point that SNG's are ALL about getting in the money. Big stack, smick stack, who cares? If you lay down on this one you still have plenty of chips, so why get into it? Get to 3rd place and then start making these kind of calls. Just some thoughts, Will 
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08-22-2005, 02:45 PM
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Re: May I be the weak/tight contrarian?
Will, I don't know how long you've been reading this forum but the assumption that SNG's are all about getting in the money is extremely flawed. There's plenty of math available to back it up if you feel like searching for it, but overall its far better to try and take more firsts in exchange for a lower in the money percentage.
I think the call is pretty marginal overall. If you had more chips I would fold, but with the kind of odds you're getting I think the chance that you're up against Set/Two Pair and the A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] makes me call this one.
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08-22-2005, 02:42 PM
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Re: May I be the weak/tight contrarian?
[ QUOTE ]
Dear All: I disagree with the actions and the two recommendations mentioned for the following 3 reasons: 1. I don't like the bet on the flop. This seems like a GREAT check/raise opportunity. But, you want to see what happens in front of you. I would of waited to see if the 4th diamond hits on the turn or the board pairs before risking all my chips frankly. But, that's just me. 3. Lee Jones hammers home the point that SNG's are ALL about getting in the money. Big stack, smick stack, who cares? If you lay down on this one you still have plenty of chips, so why get into it? Get to 3rd place and then start making these kind of calls. Just some thoughts, Will [/ QUOTE ] 1. I disagree, you can't let a flush draw have a free card. You have to define your hand against that board and can't slowplay it. If it went check-check-check and a diamond came on the turn, you'd feel pretty dumb and hopeless. The $250 bet might sucker the flush draw into a bad play, because he's only getting 2-1 on the call and certainly shouldn't pick up any more chips if the 4th diamond falls. 3. Well, I think a big stack would go a long way towards making it into the money. All I'm saying is that the advantage of having a big stack in a short SNG is greater than in a MTT, so if the percentages say call or close to it, this factor ways in favor of making the call.
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