1st hand, lots of action

schwza · #1 08-09-2005, 10:26 AM

how's my line? 30+3.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter

UTG+1 (t800)
UTG+2 (t800)
MP1 (t800)
MP2 (t800)
MP3 (t800)
CO (t800)
Button (t800)
Hero (t800)
BB (t800)
UTG (t800)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, UTG+2 calls t15, MP1 calls t15, MP2 calls t15, MP3 calls t15, 2 folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t90) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+2 bets t15, MP1 calls t15, MP2 calls t15, MP3 calls t15, Hero calls t15, BB folds.

Turn: (t165) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 bets t125, MP1 calls t125, MP2 calls t125, MP3 raises to t300, Hero raises to t770 (All-In),

tigerite · #2 08-09-2005, 10:27 AM

I'd raise the flop. Try to get rid of bloody straight draws, I think you're beat on the turn.

schwza · #3 08-09-2005, 10:45 AM

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I'd raise the flop. Try to get rid of bloody straight draws, I think you're beat on the turn.

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straight draws don't really concern me too much. only if someone has J9 and an 8 comes. if i get reraised, i have to get the chips in, and then i'm coinflipping for my stack with only a small overlay on the first hand. blech.

i might've folded the turn with no flush draw, but here i have 13 outs to improve, and my hand might be best. that'd be a tough fold.

Hornacek · #4 08-09-2005, 10:50 AM

You could also easily be up against a flopped set, or the J9 straight, or maybe even higher two pair.

This being the first hand of the tournament, its a tough call, but it can be argued either way.

UMTerp · #5 08-09-2005, 10:54 AM

Easy fold on the turn IMO. A pot sized bet, two calls, and a reraise in front of you? That two pair isn't good most of the time there...

tigerite · #6 08-09-2005, 10:54 AM

Yeah, but look at all the action. Do you reckon that none of these 4 who are going crazy betting have your middle-two pair beat? I'd say it's unlikely, at best. You may not even have the outs you think, if one has a set some of them will be no good because they'll complete a FH, if one has top two pair they would make them a higher FH and so on..

tigerite · #7 08-09-2005, 10:54 AM

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Easy fold on the turn IMO. A pot sized bet, two calls, and a reraise in front of you? That two pair isn't good most of the time there...

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Bingo..

XXXNoahXXX · #8 08-09-2005, 10:55 AM

I'm not sure how clean your outs are here as someone could have flopped two pair such as QT, making your ten outs nonexistent, ditto for turning Q8. UTG+2 could also be on a higher flush draw. At least you haven't invested too much time in the tourney, because I'm not sure how much longer you'll be around, unless you hit flush on river and they were on set/two pair hands. I hate these hands where you're all-in and you don't even know what to root for on the river. Is my hand good? Duece! Do I need a flush? Spade! What is someone has higher flush draw? 8! Nothings worse than hitting one of your "outs"...and losing the pot.

schwza · #9 08-09-2005, 10:59 AM

i would much rather be all-in in that situation than have chips in front of me.

Maulik · #10 08-09-2005, 11:56 AM

on the turn someone is representing the straight. Thus your outs are to the 10 high flush & to TWO 8s & TWO 10s.

That said, I muck. Two pair with this texture doesn't feel strong enough. Also, I'm not confident the flush, 10 high will be good here either.