KK preflop - do we push here?

#1 12-21-2005, 09:48 PM

25NL
Villian has ~25$, hero covers.

Villian is BB, Hero is UTG.

Hero gets K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Hero raises to $1 (4x BB)
Folds around to villian
Villian reraised to $10 (40x BB)

Hero...?

Of course we are not folding, but how do we play this? A flat call will make us very angry if an ace flops as we will regret having to either fold or put rest of stack in.

Push is best, right?

man · #2 12-21-2005, 09:58 PM

like 4 times out of 5 this is a push (edit: whoops. I meant that 4 out of 5 times this is not aces, but that doesn't mean you only push 4 out of 5 times. my bad. more like 9+ out of 10 times you push.) if you have a very, very solid read on this player as a tightie, you could make a case for folding. otherwise push, push, push.

Morrek · #3 12-21-2005, 09:58 PM

I'd push. Almost half your stack is in there though so it really doesn't matter much, noone's folding

Isura · #4 12-21-2005, 10:00 PM

Don't risk out-thinking yourself on the flop. Get the money in now, and expect to see QQ or AK a lot here.

#5 12-21-2005, 10:12 PM

This looks like a text book stop-n-go. Call, then move in on the flop.

#6 12-21-2005, 10:36 PM

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This looks like a text book stop-n-go. Call, then move in on the flop.

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There is no need for this. The $10 raise signifies villain likes his hand. The money is ending up in the middle one way or another, so you may as well do it now.

#7 12-21-2005, 10:59 PM

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Don't risk out-thinking yourself on the flop. Get the money in now, and expect to see QQ or AK a lot here.

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Yeah what he said.

#8 12-22-2005, 12:23 AM

K, thanks guys - I definately agree with the push.

I wish I had come to that conclusion while I was actually playing the hand, where I decided to actually flat call because I thought he would fold hands like 88-QQ vs. a push - I definately forgot that he put in 1/2 his stack lol

Luckily flop came K J 9 and he had JJ

Money was going in regardless

Cosimo · #9 12-22-2005, 02:28 AM

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Luckily flop came ...

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doesn't matter

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he had JJ

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That's why you push PF. Villains in SSNL don't just 3bet PF with AA.

Isura · #10 12-22-2005, 02:36 AM

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This looks like a text book stop-n-go. Call, then move in on the flop.

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I don't like it because it lets AK, QQ-JJ get away on an ugly flop. I'd prefer the stop-n-go with shorter stacks and QQ or JJ and I put him on AK as a likely folding.