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04-29-2005, 12:56 AM
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There (but for the grace of god) go I.
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UTG+1 is LA-P. MP1 is TA-A. MP3 is LP-A. It was a good (loose aggressive) table. Preflop: SamIAm is BB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, SamIAm calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 3-bets</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 caps</font>, SamIAm folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls. Flop: (14.40 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 caps</font>, MP1 calls, MP3 calls. Turn: (13.20 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, MP1 folds, MP3 calls. River: (15.20 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, MP3 calls. Final Pot: 17.20 BB Results: UTG+1 has Jc Jh (three of a kind, jacks). MP3 has As Ac (one pair, aces). Outcome: UTG+1 wins 17.20 BB. Do you think I should have called the cap preflop? I mean, clearly I shouldn't, because the J came on the river. Duh. But in case you DON'T know the river, I guess you need to make some assumptions about the value of a set, vs the chances of getting one at all. Is it worth 2:14? -Sam 
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#3
04-29-2005, 01:45 AM
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Re: There (but for the grace of god) go I.
Pattern Mappers are great aren't they?. I think you have to call that PF, your implied odds are huge. It looks like its gonna be a massive pot, which if you hit it big then you'll take down some nice cheese
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#4
04-29-2005, 02:22 AM
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Re: There (but for the grace of god) go I.
At 7:1, you practically have set value in the call itself. You do run the risk of being against a couple of overpairs a decent portion of the time, which will make set-over-set approx 20% of the time (???). Still, they like their hands and will pay you well when you make your set. Folding a pocket pair after putting in two bets preflop is pretty much always going to be a mistake. It is a big one here.
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#7
04-29-2005, 11:05 AM
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Re: There (but for the grace of god) go I.
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Heh, the inital preflop call is borderline. The fold when it comes back two more to you is VERY bad. [/ QUOTE ] Do you mean protecting my blind was bad but folding to the cap was worse? If the answer to that question is "yes", then my next question is "Are you crazy?" [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] -Sam I think you guys are right. The implied odds make the cap-call pretty clear. Must have been a higher power protecting me from that river, clouding my eyes so that I might see.
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#8
04-29-2005, 11:09 AM
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Re: There (but for the grace of god) go I.
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Heh, the inital preflop call is borderline. The fold when it comes back two more to you is VERY bad. [/ QUOTE ] Folding any of the two decisions preflop is terrible. How can you possibly contemplate folding the first time?
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