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#1
12-19-2005, 09:39 PM
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15/30 QTs flop
The cold caller is a super bad 49/7/.57/.96/1.92 and his wtsd is an amazing 50.07%. The 3-bettor is 17.8/10.65/2.84 whose stats are from mining 10/20.
After talking on AIM with some people, I'm receiving mixed signals on the correct line here. Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (9 max, 9 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter Preflop: I am MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">I raise</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, I call, CO calls. Flop: (10.66 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> 
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#2
12-19-2005, 09:48 PM
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Re: 15/30 QTs flop
little early to be raising QTs. As for the flop, I am ok leading or check/calling, but not chk/rzing.
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#3
12-19-2005, 10:37 PM
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Re: 15/30 QTs flop
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little early to be raising QTs. [/ QUOTE ] well, maybe it's a little early for you, but i play probably play alot better than you after the flop... when you analyze a hand i post, remember to pretend you play effing good postflop. thx.
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#4
12-19-2005, 10:59 PM
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Re: 15/30 QTs flop
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[ QUOTE ] little early to be raising QTs. [/ QUOTE ] well, maybe it's a little early for you, but i play probably play alot better than you after the flop... when you analyze a hand i post, remember to pretend you play effing good postflop. thx. [/ QUOTE ] i like this response. i say check call all the way and checkraise when you hit your flush.
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#5
12-19-2005, 11:11 PM
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Re: 15/30 QTs flop
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] little early to be raising QTs. [/ QUOTE ] well, maybe it's a little early for you, but i play probably play alot better than you after the flop... when you analyze a hand i post, remember to pretend you play effing good postflop. thx. [/ QUOTE ] i like this response. i say check call all the way and checkraise when you hit your flush. [/ QUOTE ] I think we should be betting the river if we hit the flush on the river. We get the donkey overcall in the middle when we hit, and villain is going to have AK and AQ often enough that the river getting checked through is a very real possibility. I was considering saying that we should check-raise if big cards hit the turn or river as villain is now more likely to have improved his AK or AQ, but the converse of that is that villain is now dangerously likely to check behind hands like TT and JJ. If the relative position were flipped and our chance of trapping the donkey for single bets twice were higher I might prefer the river check-raise. If we hit on the turn I think I probably like a check-raise as we're more likely to get action from both opponents on our check-raise and the turn is much less likely to check through.
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#6
12-19-2005, 11:22 PM
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Re: 15/30 QTs flop
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] little early to be raising QTs. [/ QUOTE ] well, maybe it's a little early for you, but i play probably play alot better than you after the flop... when you analyze a hand i post, remember to pretend you play effing good postflop. thx. [/ QUOTE ] i like this response. i say check call all the way and checkraise when you hit your flush. [/ QUOTE ] I think we should be betting the river if we hit the flush on the river. We get the donkey overcall in the middle when we hit, and villain is going to have AK and AQ often enough that the river getting checked through is a very real possibility. I was considering saying that we should check-raise if big cards hit the turn or river as villain is now more likely to have improved his AK or AQ, but the converse of that is that villain is now dangerously likely to check behind hands like TT and JJ. If the relative position were flipped and our chance of trapping the donkey for single bets twice were higher I might prefer the river check-raise. If we hit on the turn I think I probably like a check-raise as we're more likely to get action from both opponents on our check-raise and the turn is much less likely to check through. [/ QUOTE ] i agree. jason should bet when he his his flush.
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#7
12-20-2005, 03:21 AM
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Re: 15/30 QTs flop
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[ QUOTE ] little early to be raising QTs. [/ QUOTE ] well, maybe it's a little early for you, but i play probably play alot better than you after the flop... when you analyze a hand i post, remember to pretend you play effing good postflop. thx. [/ QUOTE ] Don't be a dick, Jason, you clearly don't play effing good postflop or else you wouldn't be posting so many hands here. You're too loose PF. We've seen it time and again. QTs is good for an open-raise CO. HJ is debatable.
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#9
12-20-2005, 03:32 AM
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Re: 15/30 QTs flop
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I raise it UTG in 6max, limp it earlier in full tables...you don't open QTs till the CO? I open Q9o there... P.S. I suck at cards [/ QUOTE ] Q9 is a bit low on the spectrum in any position 10 handed, cept the button. I'd like to hear more on this.
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#10
12-20-2005, 03:25 AM
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Re: 15/30 QTs flop
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] little early to be raising QTs. [/ QUOTE ] well, maybe it's a little early for you, but i play probably play alot better than you after the flop... when you analyze a hand i post, remember to pretend you play effing good postflop. thx. [/ QUOTE ] Don't be a dick, Jason, you clearly don't play effing good postflop or else you wouldn't be posting so many hands here. You're too loose PF. We've seen it time and again. QTs is good for an open-raise CO. HJ is debatable. [/ QUOTE ] Joe Tall is a tool and I'm too loose preflop. You seriously need to work on your reads.
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