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12-27-2005, 04:07 PM
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Re: What is your push range here?
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Alot higher than any 2. [/ QUOTE ] I hope your joking. This is push any two, and not close. You have just 3XBB, and on the Button need to get by only two people to increase your stack by 50%, and if you get called, should not be in awful shape. The longer you wait the more people you will have to get through. 
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12-27-2005, 04:14 PM
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Re: What is your push range here?
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[ QUOTE ] Alot higher than any 2. [/ QUOTE ] I hope your joking. This is push any two, and not close. You have just 3XBB, and on the Button need to get by only two people to increase your stack by 50%, and if you get called, should not be in awful shape. The longer you wait the more people you will have to get through. [/ QUOTE ] You act as if I'm going to steal the blinds here. It's not going to happen. I don't care how many players I'm going through. I want either A: A hand that plays well multi-way. or B: A good coin flip hand or
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#4
12-27-2005, 04:51 PM
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Re: What is your push range here?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Alot higher than any 2. [/ QUOTE ] I hope your joking. This is push any two, and not close. You have just 3XBB, and on the Button need to get by only two people to increase your stack by 50%, and if you get called, should not be in awful shape. The longer you wait the more people you will have to get through. [/ QUOTE ] You act as if I'm going to steal the blinds here. It's not going to happen. I don't care how many players I'm going through. I want either A: A hand that plays well multi-way. or B: A good coin flip hand or [/ QUOTE ] Part of what we were assuming the BB was big stack and would therefore call with any decent holding. Sure with his stack size he could probably call with ANY holding but he probably won't. Let's say he calls up to the top 50% of ands and the SB calls w/ top 20%. Even with this limited amount of FE there's still no way you can pass this edge up. Since the times you get 2 folds you increase your stack by FIFTY freaking percent. Sure you can wait for a better holding in the next 9 hands or so but even if you pick up something reasonable you're going to have even less FE with the monster stack still behind you plus a bunch of other players added to the mix. If you're certain you have no FE whatsoever here then yeah, might as well wait. But if you have even a little you should push.
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#5
12-27-2005, 04:56 PM
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Re: What is your push range here?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Alot higher than any 2. [/ QUOTE ] I hope your joking. This is push any two, and not close. You have just 3XBB, and on the Button need to get by only two people to increase your stack by 50%, and if you get called, should not be in awful shape. The longer you wait the more people you will have to get through. [/ QUOTE ] You act as if I'm going to steal the blinds here. It's not going to happen. I don't care how many players I'm going through. I want either A: A hand that plays well multi-way. or B: A good coin flip hand or [/ QUOTE ] Part of what we were assuming the BB was big stack and would therefore call with any decent holding. Sure with his stack size he could probably call with ANY holding but he probably won't. Let's say he calls up to the top 50% of ands and the SB calls w/ top 20%. Even with this limited amount of FE there's still no way you can pass this edge up. Since the times you get 2 folds you increase your stack by FIFTY freaking percent. Sure you can wait for a better holding in the next 9 hands or so but even if you pick up something reasonable you're going to have even less FE with the monster stack still behind you plus a bunch of other players added to the mix. If you're certain you have no FE whatsoever here then yeah, might as well wait. But if you have even a little you should push. [/ QUOTE ] If the BB folds here, he is an absolutely atrocious poker player.
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#6
12-27-2005, 05:19 PM
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Re: What is your push range here?
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If the BB folds here, he is an absolutely atrocious poker player. [/ QUOTE ] I agree, but I see big stacks folding in similar spots often. They're usually not THIS big, but still. Again, the premise was a hypothetical and our read on the BB is that he will call with any decent holding. If that's the case then is this not a push withy any 2?
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#7
12-27-2005, 06:22 PM
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Re: What is your push range here?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Alot higher than any 2. [/ QUOTE ] I hope your joking. This is push any two, and not close. You have just 3XBB, and on the Button need to get by only two people to increase your stack by 50%, and if you get called, should not be in awful shape. The longer you wait the more people you will have to get through. [/ QUOTE ] You act as if I'm going to steal the blinds here. It's not going to happen. I don't care how many players I'm going through. I want either A: A hand that plays well multi-way. or B: A good coin flip hand or [/ QUOTE ] Part of what we were assuming the BB was big stack and would therefore call with any decent holding. Sure with his stack size he could probably call with ANY holding but he probably won't. Let's say he calls up to the top 50% of ands and the SB calls w/ top 20%. Even with this limited amount of FE there's still no way you can pass this edge up. Since the times you get 2 folds you increase your stack by FIFTY freaking percent. Sure you can wait for a better holding in the next 9 hands or so but even if you pick up something reasonable you're going to have even less FE with the monster stack still behind you plus a bunch of other players added to the mix. If you're certain you have no FE whatsoever here then yeah, might as well wait. But if you have even a little you should push. [/ QUOTE ] I am certain I have no fold equity here. The bb is getting 2.25:1 on a call which translates to the need to have 30% equity. So he would be justified in calling with any 2 cards. I would push all in here with all but my weakest holdings. Pushing all in here with 23o or 24o is just reckless imo.
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#8
12-27-2005, 06:36 PM
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Re: What is your push range here?
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I am certain I have no fold equity here. The bb is getting 2.25:1 on a call which translates to the need to have 30% equity. So he would be justified in calling with any 2 cards. I would push all in here with all but my weakest holdings. Pushing all in here with 23o or 24o is just reckless imo. [/ QUOTE ] You're assuming that the BB knows what you know and will call. This assumption was not the basis on which we were operating, in fact the question states we're NOT operating under that premise because it says he'll call with DECENT holdings, meaning he's not calling with any two based on our read. Just cause YOU'D call with any 2, just because it makes sense to call with any two doesn't mean that our opponent will.
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12-27-2005, 06:38 PM
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Re: What is your push range here?
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[ QUOTE ] I am certain I have no fold equity here. The bb is getting 2.25:1 on a call which translates to the need to have 30% equity. So he would be justified in calling with any 2 cards. I would push all in here with all but my weakest holdings. Pushing all in here with 23o or 24o is just reckless imo. [/ QUOTE ] You're assuming that the BB knows what you know and will call. This assumption was not the basis on which we were operating, in fact the question states we're NOT operating under that premise because it says he'll call with DECENT holdings, meaning he's not calling with any two based on our read. Just cause YOU'D call with any 2, just because it makes sense to call with any two doesn't mean that our opponent will. [/ QUOTE ] Why should we ever have a hypothetical poker question based on something that will never happen, seems kinda pointless. Maybe part of the read is also that the BB will have 2-7os EVERYTIME we play the hand. In which case, I push 8 high.
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#10
12-27-2005, 06:46 PM
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Re: What is your push range here?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I am certain I have no fold equity here. The bb is getting 2.25:1 on a call which translates to the need to have 30% equity. So he would be justified in calling with any 2 cards. I would push all in here with all but my weakest holdings. Pushing all in here with 23o or 24o is just reckless imo. [/ QUOTE ] You're assuming that the BB knows what you know and will call. This assumption was not the basis on which we were operating, in fact the question states we're NOT operating under that premise because it says he'll call with DECENT holdings, meaning he's not calling with any two based on our read. Just cause YOU'D call with any 2, just because it makes sense to call with any two doesn't mean that our opponent will. [/ QUOTE ] Why should we ever have a hypothetical poker question based on something that will never happen, seems kinda pointless. Maybe part of the read is also that the BB will have 2-7os EVERYTIME we play the hand. In which case, I push 8 high. [/ QUOTE ] I don't get your objection. The hypothetical is that WE HAVE A READ on our opponent, he's not sharp enough to know that on his stack size and getting the odds he's getting he should call with any two, and given this info what range are you pushing here? What are you referring to that will 'never happen'? It will never happen that we have a similar read on our opponent? Why not?
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