A hypothetical Axs question, grunch please

[Me and You]

1. Bet if raised fold. If called check/fold turn.

2. Fold

3. Same as 1

[Rev. Good Will]

for #3, i've been getting alot of bet/hoping to get raised answers

I don't know if its worth continuing the hand w/o a read, lets say, like some of you suggest, that villian would raise PP's on top of TPMK.


KK-TT, 88 - 6 combos each(30 total), and we're good

on the other hand:
99 - 3 combos, and we're drawing to 2 outs
AK-AJ sooted or not - 16 combos each (48 total), and we're drawing to 3 outs
AT-A8 sooted - 4 combos each (12 total), and we're drawing to 3 outs


63 times we're shafted, 30 times we're gold.

does this change anybody's arguement? what's the line you guys are taking for the rest of the hand?

[Buckmulligan]

checkraise, raise, bet.

[wabe]

1. Check/call with the intention of check/raising the turn.
2. Call with the intention of raising the turn. If it's 2 bets back to me on the flop, I fold.
3. Trying to decide between a checkraise and a call with a raise on the turn. Undecided at this point.

[Rev. Good Will]

bump

[toddw8]

Hand 1: Check with the intention of check/raising a bet from CO.

Hand 2: Raise to protect your hand

Hand 3: I think you need to bet out here and hope that UTG+1 raises.

[benkath1]

[ QUOTE ]
1)you limp, as does UTG+2, MP1 and MP2, the CO raises, the blinds fold, and every already in calls (11.5 SB)

flop: A 9 2

what's your move?


[/ QUOTE ]

Check raise the CO.

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2) you limp, as does UTG+1, MP1 and CO. SB folds, and BB raises. Everyone calls (10.5 SB)

flop: A 9 2

BB bets, what's your move?


[/ QUOTE ]

Raise BB.

[ QUOTE ]
3)you limp, UTG+1 raises, UTG+2, MP2, and CO all CC, blinds fold. you call (11.5 SB)

flop: A 9 2



[/ QUOTE ]

Depends on the size of the pot when it's back to me after my check. If it's big enough to call i do. I'm giving my self 3.5 outs.

[Xhad]

1) Check, planning to checkraise the probable bet from PFR, planning to knock everyone else out. Don't think I'll play on if it's bet and raised by people other than the PFR.
2) Raise in an attempt to thin the field.
3) I check and see what happens before deciding what else to do. I fold to a bet and a raise, but generally call a single bet, especially if it's from the PFR and no one raises, and I'm ecstatic if it's from the PFR and everyone else folds. I don't like betting out because PFR often won't raise us unless we're beat, especially in this huge field.

[toddw8]

[ QUOTE ]
for #3, i've been getting alot of bet/hoping to get raised answers

I don't know if its worth continuing the hand w/o a read, lets say, like some of you suggest, that villian would raise PP's on top of TPMK.


KK-TT, 88 - 6 combos each(30 total), and we're good

on the other hand:
99 - 3 combos, and we're drawing to 2 outs
AK-AJ sooted or not - 16 combos each (48 total), and we're drawing to 3 outs
AT-A8 sooted - 4 combos each (12 total), and we're drawing to 3 outs


63 times we're shafted, 30 times we're gold.

does this change anybody's arguement? what's the line you guys are taking for the rest of the hand?

[/ QUOTE ]

Here's my argument:

The pot is very big. Even if we are only drawing to 3 outs we are gonna have odds to see the turn. So, if we are going to the turn anyway, I want our outs to be as clean as possible, not to mention that we may actually have the best hand at this point.

In short, odds dictate that we see the turn here. I would much rather see the turn heads up than 5 handed.

[Xhad]

Just posted my grunch reply, and after reading the other posts it just solidifies my answer.

If PFR bets and everyone else folds, it may be best to just take the way ahead/way behind line of check-calling all the way down. I agree that when I bet out and get raised on the flop I expect to run into AK-ATs way too often to like my hand, and if he does have QQ or something I'd rather not scare him off by betting into that large field. If villian bets the flop and someone else raises I'm gone, I'll only be getting like 6-to-1 and I'm out of position and have no idea where I stand.