PLO8, top two pair, big pot

[emptyshell]

BB has vpip 33, pfr 6. As far as what I've seen, he could be a decent player, +3k over 2k hands. CO is a very loose, not-so-aggressive player: vpip 51, pfr 3, tough to fold out postflop.

$400 PL Omaha Hi/Lo
CO ( $701.47 ), Hero ( $393.95 ), SB ( $348.90 ),
UTG ( $194.20 ), MP1 ( $342.40 ),
UTG+1 ( $481.20 ), BB ( $392 ), OUT ( $400 )

Hero is BUT with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
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SB posts $2.
BB posts $4.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls $4, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls $4,
Hero calls $4, SB raises $22, BB calls $20,
UTG+1 calls $20, CO calls $20, Hero calls $20

<font color="blue">Flop</font>: (117.00) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
SB checks.
BB bets $60.
UTG+1 folds.
CO calls $60.
Hero ???

[Baseballer02]

I don't think BB is making a big bet out of position without a big hand. Unless you believe BB would put everyone on low hands and is trying to buy the pot, I believe it's a fold.

[Kuso]

I would fold.

The raise from the BB is ominous. The call from the CO doesn't add much information -- and the SB still has to act. This just looks like a trap hand to me.

My guess is that you need low cards to hit for your 2pr to hold up -- and just half the pot that goes with it. Otherwise, you're drawing to a J or Q to take the high. T, K, or A (maybe even 8 or 9) and I'm guessing you're beat. Of course, if BB has a J or Q set, then you're just drawing to one out or drawing dead. (ugh)

If I were to play this hand, I would probably pot reraise in order to get HU with BB.

[lautzutao]

What the heck are you doing calling this preflop raise with this janky hand?

Fold this. If you're not behind already you more than likely will be if another high card hits.

[Wintermute]

What a weird bet... I get the feeling that he has a wrap with maybe a small piece of the board, like top pair of J's. Seems like a bet that's trying to pick up the pot there or get to see the turn relatively cheap, but wouldn't mind getting everything in against an overplayed AA or something. A set would probably either check-raise or lead out for the full pot.

Since the guy between you and the bettor seems to be fairly loose, I wouldn't give him credit for much of a hand here--as little as OESD might call in this spot.

Given all this, I'd raise the pot. You're holding some of the cards a wrap would like to see, and although a T will likely give someone broadway, there's a chance you'll chop with another 9-K str. The only trouble is when you're up against QJ with KT sidecards, or a set. Doesn't seem terribly likely given the betting progression.

[Jorge10]

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What the heck are you doing calling this preflop raise with this janky hand?


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Because you cant just play all low cards, besides its looking like a big pot usually when theres a big raise and a few calls, the majority of the time you will see a K/9/9 or 9/10/3 flop because odds are most of the low cards are gone. Thats basically why he is calling.

Anyway his bet is unusual, your hand is too weak to just call, its either a raise or fold at this point. Given the info, I would probably have to be there, weird bet. Anyway ill take a stab at it, itd go for a raise. It sure seems like the guy has the same hand as you, maybe you can get him to fold, but thats just what it seems to me.

[Wintermute]

Jorge, it's a raise not a reraise. When you're posting hands, it can get confusing when you mix up the terminology. It goes bet. raise. THEN reraise.

[Jorge10]

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Jorge, it's a raise not a reraise. When you're posting hands, it can get confusing when you mix up the terminology. It goes bet. raise. THEN reraise.

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Whoops, anyway just woke up grammar not up to my usual standards.

[Wintermute]

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The raise from the BB is ominous.

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When did the BB ever raise in this hand.

[Wintermute]

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I would fold. ...

If I were to play this hand, I would probably pot reraise in order to get HU with BB.

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Make up your mind. Also, how the hell are you going to reraise, there was never a raise.