Can I get out of this alive?

[asherpuppy]

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Folding preflop sucks. Period. It's not even very good in an 800 chip 15 blind game, in a 1000/10 it's horrible.

An all in is not reasonable but you should probably raise the flop to maximize FE. Having called, in a low limit game you go broke on the turn 100% of the time.

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Thank you.

As for raising the flop to increase folding equity, do I really want people to fold this flop? I have the draw of all draws.



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I hope someone can comment on this, because I don't know if I'm right about this, but I don't think you are interested in FE in this situation, because your FE will come from the hands you don't want to fold. Basically, I think your call is right.
I think the big question is whether a raise could have knocked out the hands he wanted gone, and I think the answer is no. The ATs would not have folded to any raise (so all chips would have been lost anyway), and I doubt most K or Q flush draws would have bet given the situation (note that a K or Q flush draw couldn't also have a pair unless it was pocket given hero's hand). So the most likely hands to be betting here are pairs. I think you want them sticking around. Anyone but a higher flush draw, you want to stick around. You aren't winning unless you hit your hand. When you play 87s, you need to win big when you actually hit your hand to make it a +EV play. I don't think you can profitably play 87s and drive everyone out when you actually hit your dream flop. You need the implied odds. I'd love to hear comments on this from more experienced players.

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Changing the TT to a JJ will make very very little difference (try it.) You can also make it J9, A8, or basically anything else that would stick around in a loose game to one big bet but not a raise and reraise.

Your goal is to isolate one guy and be on the better side of a flip with lots of dead chips, because you gain so much EV by folding out a hand ahead of you that letting him stay in isn't worth it.

Also, you have to reexamine what 'the draw of all draws' means given that you're 60/40 or worse against anything reasonable. You do want AK to fold PF when you hold queens.

[puzzlemoney]

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I might raise on the flop here instead, get value out of my draw. Still, calling here is completely fine, and you played it well.

Getting away from this is just awful, awful poker.

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Getting away from the hand on the turn is?

Of course, I know what the hand is, so I'm looking for the opponent to have the flush, but the all-in when the K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] comes is telling me the villain has it. Especially with six seeing the flop.

In actual play, I find myself spewing off chips by calling because I'm reluctant to believe opponents, but in the cold light of day, I look at this hand and say, "fold and keep your 600 chips."

Is that giving them too much credit for a hand? I just don't see myself being good a third of the time here... I don't actually care much about my (at best) two outs, right?

All that being said, I like raising the flop. Which is contradictory and illustrative of the weakness in my play. "I have a pair and a strong draw--bet! ...Then run in fear from the bigger flush on the turn when I actually make it!"