The best odds for/against god

[hashi92]

Well if the christian god is the true god u can be a non believer and ask for forgiveness at the gates of heaven and be accepted. Remember the two convicts hanging with jesus one asked for forgiveness and was accpeted into the kingdom of god.

First of all there is a god or supreame "thing" that we call god. If you dont belive in a something bigger than ourselfs you are backwards, everything did not come from nothing. Its your view of this god that is important and should be discovered by you alone. Religon is the aid to this type of thinking that most people dont do. Believeing in a religon is a headstart to realizing that we and everything else are significant in a very small way. Heaven was created by christianity and is ment to be a reward to living an honest life, which most people dont live. You should think for yourself what will happen in the afterlife and belive in that instead of heaven/hell. It would be shallow to decide to live falsely beliveing in a heaven created by god only because you want to be a part of heaven. Or trying to convince yourslef throughout your lifetime that there is a heaven, and living accordingly to what is said to get you in. Live the way you want believing in what you want and you will not have to live your life trying to believe in something someone else told you was true. I bet if since the beginning of christianity you were told to walk backwards every full moon to get into heaven everyone would be doing that instead of beliveing in their "god" or taking part in their religon. Find your own truths.... nothing in our world is certain anyways.

[hashi92]

your born
your procreate
you become fertlizer

I think it is Tom Robbins in "Even Cowgirls Get The Blues" that has a character quoted as saying that humans were an invention of water to move itself around.

Better, I guess, that my unforgeteable teacher at my first year junior High school who was used to say that we were just ambulant tubes full of s**t.

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Great quotes, and I agree with your teacher. In almost every sense, we're just big worms. Our body is built around a digestive tract that evolved a few appendages for land based movement and reproduction. Remove a few lobes of the brain and that's precisely what we are.

[bocablkr]

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First of all there is a god or supreame "thing" that we call god. If you dont belive in a something bigger than ourselfs you are backwards, everything did not come from nothing.

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Stranger, you sound very intelligent - NOT.

I think you need to do yourself some serious thinking, then you wont even begin to know what intellegent means.

[sweetjazz]

You'd get an even better payoff if you assume that you can live a life of hedonism and pure selfishness and that there is a divine being who will reward such behavior with eternal bliss.

The reality is that you don't have an EV problem because you have offered no reasonable way to estimate the probability of either of your possible scenarios of being actually true.

I think that thinking about God in EV terms is a pretty bad way to go about it, and I have to question how seriously Pascal took his wager (and how much it was just a tongue-in-cheek reply to critics). Of course, it would be more forgivable of an error on his part, as the theory of probability was just being formulated in a devleloped manner around that time.

[maurile]

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You'd get an even better payoff if you assume that you can live a life of hedonism and pure selfishness and that there is a divine being who will reward such behavior with eternal bliss.

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Good info here.

Basing your belief in the (non)existance of God on EV will surely land you in the fiery pits of hell.