200/400 bellagio AQo

[bicyclekick]

full table.

A bad player (bobby b on the board (jon bender I think is his real name)) had limped ep with KK and I'd overlimped with A6s (that good of a game at the time) and I flopped and ace and after the hand he said "you woulda probably called me anyhow preflop if i'd have raised" i said I didn't know, depends how many amstels I'd had (I'd had a couple at this point) and another player started givin me [censored] about how I was bullshitting the guy and "giving me a dose of my own medicine"he so called it...not so loud that bobby heard but jsut being stupid. I had been folding a lot of hands and this guy hadn't played all weekend so he probably thought just like liz lieu did..that i'm some scared tight kid who can be pushed around.

An older super loose/passive (j3s utg etc...plays most of his hands (different than the player who limped kk) limps, I raise A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] in the hijack, folded to that guy in the sb I'd had a little thing with who genuinely pauses as if he's thinking, looks at me and 3 bets, fish calls, I 4 bet, they both call.

Flop A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (I have no spades)
Sb bets, fish calls, I call.

[mike l.]

seems fine. but you should be raising the turn here virtually every time.

The SB 3bets you preflop you 4bet, and now he bets into 2 players, a fish and a preflop 4 bettor, on an Ace high flop. This is a sign of great strength IMO. In this situation I would also just call on the flop as you did. In fact, I would not put in a single raise postflop unless I improve, I would just call this down. My goal here would be to get to the showdown as cheaply as possible.

[PokerBob]

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The SB 3bets you preflop you 4bet, and now he bets into 2 players, a fish and a preflop 4 bettor, on an Ace high flop. This is a sign of great strength IMO. In this situation I would also just call on the flop as you did. In fact, I would not put in a single raise postflop unless I improve, I would just call this down. My goal here would be to get to the showdown as cheaply as possible.

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i concur

[mike l.]

" This is a sign of great strength IMO"

wrong. he had to stop and think preflop. that means questionable hand. there's no way sb is stopping and thinking with AK. his 3 bet would be in in a heartbeat. AQ is way good on this flop, the only reason the flop call is right is because it's like a slowplay. raising the turn is the only option especially if a spade comes (bk doesnt have one).

Maybe youre right. Maybe I am putting too much stock into the preflop/flop action instead of BK's read on his opponent. I understand BK's read preflop and why he 4 bet it. The typical player would never pause with TT's or above or AK. But when this guy bets the flop after BK 4 bets it, I am ready to abandon this read and go into defense mode. Maybe I am giving up on this read too early in the hand, but the last thing I want to do is stubbornly stick to a read and lose more money becuz of it. I am not saying calling down here is the right strategy, just saying thats what I would do and why.

[nykenny]

I disagree that SB's hand is most likely a monster.

imo, a short pause in SB's situation feels more like a A9s - AJ, 55 - 99. So betting that flop into fish and BK is not out of the question. He could be betting:

1) AT, legit and likely the best hand
2) 99, fold BK's mid pair leveraging the fishy player
3) AK, AA, play fast to disguise his strength
4) KK - TT, similar to 2) but possible best hand against BK's mid pocket pair

etc,

just some thoughts.

- Kenny

[limon]

doouble wrong. the guy limped w/kk earlier so he likes to mix up his play preflop. MANY players dont 3 bet out of the blinds w/AK so he may have had to think about it. that said, i see a CR w/ ak from this guy. i bet he has KK again. he will fire twice so raise him on the turn unless the middle dude wakes up.

[NLSoldier]

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i bet he has KK again.

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i know he limped with it before, but at this point how could he not cap it PF with KK?

[shmahappens]

Agreed about the AK - also BK capped preflop, which if he thinks BK is tight scared screams made hand. Maybe this guy thinks BK is scared/tight enough to quickly fold that pair on this ragged A-high board to a preflop raiser.

Wait till the turn to raise