JJ, what's your plan on the river?

Bodhi · #1 08-23-2005, 06:02 PM

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

MP1 is a donkastic maniac, 90%, 20%, 1.8 (Hence, I left this table not long afterwards). MP2 is tight-passive preflop, and aggressive postflop, 12%, 1%, 1.8%.

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 5 folds.

Flop: (7.50 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets, MP2 calls, Hero raises, MP1 3-bets, MP2 caps, Hero calls, MP1 calls.

River: (17.25BB)...

Hoi Polloi · #2 08-23-2005, 06:08 PM

River: bet out. Avoid check through; might get to 3-bet.

Turn: You should bet. Check through would suck. Betting will still get action--may get more action.

You're way ahead too many times here to not get as much money in as the competition will bear.

Bodhi · #3 08-23-2005, 06:10 PM

You hardly attempt to answer my question, and your advice against the turn check-raise is strange because I told you the guy to my left is a maniac.

tyler_cracker · #4 08-23-2005, 06:15 PM

I don't understand your turn check. Were you expecting the maniac to wait for the turn to start raising you, and wanted to trap MP2 in the middle of your check-raise?

I am even more confused by MP2's turn cap. Is he just capping for fun?

I think you should bet/call a brick on the river. I'm pretty lost about what to do if a spade hits, or an A or Q (or maybe even a 9). Maybe it's best to let the maniac bet your hand for you and see what happens? I don't really think you can fold unless one of the really scary cards hits (A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]) and MP2 is still frisky.

PS: 510 in the house!

Bodhi · #5 08-23-2005, 06:18 PM

Maybe check-raising the maniac here isn't as standard as I thought? The idea was very straight-forward: get more money in the pot.

mr pink · #6 08-23-2005, 06:22 PM

i'm not a huge fan of the turn check. having the turn checked through on a board that draw heavy would absolutely suck balls. i understand the guy on your left being a maniac and all, but the board is just too scary.

ok, so you check/raise the turn. the maniac does his thing but now mp2 decides to call/cap. i think you are in trouble here but he still could be fastplaying a lower set or 2 pair.

i think i'm bet/calling this river UI and bet/3betting if i fill up.

anyone agree?

Hoi Polloi · #7 08-25-2005, 01:27 PM

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You hardly attempt to answer my question, and your advice against the turn check-raise is strange because I told you the guy to my left is a maniac.

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Looks like a plan to me:

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River: bet out. Avoid check through; might get to 3-bet.

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Your comment on the maniac is well taken. I wouldn't leave the table though.

private joker · #8 08-25-2005, 02:43 PM

I check-call the river unless you fill up. MP2 has AQ/Q9 almost all the time. His line on the turn screams the nuts. Check-call and hope he has a lower set, but bet-calling is wasting a bet.

shant · #9 08-25-2005, 02:54 PM

I think the turn checkraise is great. Those numbers don't look like the guy would ever check through the turn. You trap the other guy in for 2 bets also.

Checking the river can actually give you a lot more info then betting. Think about these two scenarios:

If you check the river and the maniac bets out, and then MP2 raises. What are you doing there?

If you check, and the maniac bets, and MP2 just calls, I'd checkraise.

imported_CaseClosed326 · #10 08-25-2005, 02:57 PM

I go for the c/c on the river, MP2's line is pretty weird. But he probably has something good.

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Hence, I left this table not long afterwards

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Why did you leave?