Guessing this is horrible because I am bad. 109

[lorinda]

One of my pet hates here. Why reraise? There are idiots out there (and I'm sure not many in the 109s) who check things down when they miss, and there are also such things as misclicks, disconnects and simple multi-tabling errors reading situations.

Lori

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If villain is shoving any 2 here, it's a call. If he's even *slightly* tighter than that, it's a fold.


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This made me panic so I just ran it and thankfully it looks like a call if villain is pushing around top 50% or more (22+, A2+, K2+, Q4o+, Q2s+, J8o+, J5s+, T9o, T7s+, 98s) Would you be pushing more than that here? I think I would be. Hope I ran the math right.

[curtains]

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I feel like the prettiest girl at the dance when curtains defends my slightly +EV play.

Thanks guys.

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Just because it's what I do doesn't make it good! (Although I think it is)

[curtains]

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One of my pet hates here. Why reraise? There are idiots out there (and I'm sure not many in the 109s) who check things down when they miss, and there are also such things as misclicks, disconnects and simple multi-tabling errors reading situations.

Lori

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Probably the minute amount of EV you gain from just calling is not worth the energy, especially if you are playing many games at once. For instance when I 8 table I often just ignore stuff like this even though I know there is a chance that it may give me an absurdly small amount of EV over the longrun. It's just a headache to have to come back for action when other tournaments are going on at the same time.

[Chaostracize]

So you're saying call with 200 behind?

[Chaostracize]

So, with my newfound knowledge...



Seat 1: aces1111 ( $3285 )
Seat 5: KOZMOKNOT ( $2915 )
Seat 6: MA3A777 ( $1795 )
Seat 8: Hero ( $2005 )
Trny:15898630 Level:8
Blinds(200/400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Ad 8d ]
aces1111 folds.
KOZMOKNOT folds.
>You have options at Table 14041 Table!.
MA3A777 is all-In [1595]
>You have options at Table 12507 Table!.
Hero calls [1395].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5d, 9s, 3d ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3c ]
** Dealing River ** [ Th ]
MA3A777 shows [ 3h, As ] three of a kind, threes.
Hero shows [ Ad, 8d ] a pair of threes.
MA3A777 wins 3590 chips from the main pot with three of a kind, threes.

[octaveshift]

OK, so let's talk about this for a second.

Ages ago, I thought conventional wisdom on the forum was not to call pushes on the bubble unless you held premium hands such as JJ+, AQ+, etc...

In this spot, however, calling is correct. This is purely a function of having such a low M, correct?

IE- If this was 2 levels ago, it would be a fold?

Just to be sure I am sane, this is what I get with any 2: +2.2% Maniac: +.1% (THIS IS $EV, not cEV.)

Also, it's telling me that Hero should be calling with the following range, if villain is indeed pushing any 2: 22+,A2+,K2+,Q4o+,Q2s+,J7o+,J4s+,T8o+,T7s+,97s+ (53%)

[curtains]

These figures are probably correct. The term maniac is silly in this spot, as it's almost surely to correct to raise with a wider range than that.

Your next assignment is to figure out how often the SB should push and in return how often the BB should call. For instance if the BB is going to call 53% of the time, as is theoretically correct if the SB pushes 100% of the time, then the SB should in reality only push about 39% of the time.

Also when doing these calculations remember to turn off your minimum edge or at least lower it. The .5% number is way too high IMO to yield accurate results.

I ask you to do this, because I'm too lazy to right now [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[octaveshift]

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These figures are probably correct. The term maniac is silly in this spot, as it's almost surely to correct to raise with a wider range than that.

Your next assignment is to figure out how often the SB should push and in return how often the BB should call. For instance if the BB is going to call 53% of the time, as is theoretically correct if the SB pushes 100% of the time, then the SB should in reality only push about 39% of the time.

Also when doing these calculations remember to turn off your minimum edge or at least lower it. The .5% number is way too high IMO to yield accurate results.

I ask you to do this, because I'm too lazy to right now [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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That's one hell of a guess Curtains. If I did this right, I am getting this result:

Villain push hands: 22+,A2+,K4o+,K2s+,Q9o+,Q7s+,JTo,J9s+ (38%) <---!!!

[curtains]

Im quite sure you are doing it incorrectly, that is way too tight. Ill do it myself [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]