EDIT: another hand...Do good players usually fold here?

sebumd · #1 07-29-2005, 12:58 AM

I'm fairly new to SNGs, trying to start my way up, my current BR is 200, ITM 36%, ROI 14 through
120 sngs (was 42%/31% through 80, just went on a nasty dry spell, shows that this sample means nothing). I was wondering if a good player lays this down right here, or if he loses his stack every time. I think that I played it correctly?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter

SB (t785)
BB (t755)
UTG (t800)
UTG+1 (t900)
Hero (t800)
MP1 (t800)
MP2 (t770)
MP3 (t800)
CO (t800)
Button (t790)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls t15, 1 fold, Hero raises to t90, 7 folds, UTG calls t75.

Flop: (t202.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets t250, UTG raises to t500, Hero calls t250.

Turn: (t1202.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: (t1202.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: t1202.50

EDIT: 2nd hand...The turn bet told me to push....is this a good play?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (6 handed) converter

UTG (t1187)
MP (t2305)
CO (t1990)
Hero (t1083)
SB (t435)
BB (t1000)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, CO raises to t200, Hero calls t200, 2 folds.

Flop: (t550) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO bets t250, Hero calls t250.

Turn: (t1050) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO bets t100, CO calls t533.

River: (t1683) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: t1683

#2 07-29-2005, 01:03 AM

Looks like you played it right...

I like the big raise preflop because at these levels you can usually hook a fish for his whole stack if he calls, and this looks like its exactly what you have done.

citanul · #3 07-29-2005, 01:05 AM

even though it looks like the converter screwed up, there's no way i'm folding KK at any 800 chip game given that board no matter when the bets are made. sorry he flopped a set or whatever. but why'd you lead out for more than the pot heads up? with that board you should be more concerned with trying to get him to call something than pushing him out.

citanul

lastchance · #4 07-29-2005, 01:07 AM

Good players usually get it all-in, and curse when they get beat by a set.

Also, they fire up a new one.

And I don't overbet the flop here. I bet t150, 3-bet all-in.

psyduck · #5 07-29-2005, 01:15 AM

easiest fold EVER. you suck at life

jk. hell no, I push here everytime. a 3 is pretty likely I would say [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

psyduck · #6 07-29-2005, 01:16 AM

second hand: either push or fold at these levels. pretty easy push from his minbet

bluefeet · #7 07-29-2005, 01:17 AM

not as easy as it appears. short of a bluff, what 2 cards is he limp/raise-calling PF...that fit this board?

two pair? HIGHLY unlikely.
TPTK? very possibly (A8s/os).
an overpair? very possible.
a set? very possible.

the scary part of this flop: he minraised back.

now we could be giving villian far too much credit, but if he has you raising with 'high cards', i don't see him teasing you here on the flop w/TPTK. villian is raising t500 of his last t710 chips. an all-in push is MUCH more likely.

but if he had a set, why not cold-call, letting you lead again on the turn? i suspect it might have something to do w/ your overbet on the flop..he's guessing he can get all the chips in here.

do you fold? i think you should, but i can't fairly say i would have [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

ps. your flop bet was waaaaay too big. this is just about a perfect flop for you. a rag ace holder has a three outer on the turn. charge him for it, but get more of his chips. i'd lead out 150-180 here.

edit: um, 1st hand here....didn't even notice the second hand [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

sebumd · #8 07-29-2005, 01:18 AM

oh...i forgot, he had 77 and spiked on the river on that 2nd hand, incase you were wondering [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

citanul · #9 07-29-2005, 01:19 AM

i don't like your line on hand 2. if you get to the flop there and you think your hand is good, you have to push. if you do't think your hand is good you have to fold.
but mostly you shouldn't have gotten to the flop.

citanul

lastchance · #10 07-29-2005, 01:29 AM

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i don't like your line on hand 2. if you get to the flop there and you think your hand is good, you have to push. if you do't think your hand is good you have to fold.
but mostly you shouldn't have gotten to the flop.

citanul

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Ditto.

BTW, instead of folding, I shove hand 1 100% of the time, and if Villain has AA-TT, so be it.