selling PT databases?

[Dazarath]

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He'd be much better off trying to sell a big 15/30-30/60 database, then. I think the market for his high limit database would be pretty limited. Although I'm sure there are probably some out there that actually believe watching how stox plays in shorthanded 300/600 games will somehow help them beat 30/60.

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I would actually be interested in purchasing a mid-stakes database. Not that this one isn't interesting as well, but somehow I get the feeling that hands from 100/200 won't be as applicable for the PP 15/30 games I play.

[KaneKungFu123]

from 180K hands to 200K hands my winrate dropped from 3.6-3ptbb/100.... so if you are using the hourly rate method it'd probably be a good idea for you to sell now because people on these forums like big numbers.

[KaneKungFu123]

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I'll sell my PT DB to anyone for the huge discount of 50% off my hourly rate, its around 100k hands of limit holdem from like april of this year. Limits 50/100 and higher. I would be pleasantly surpised if anyone is willing to pay the asking price.

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You arent worried about your competition here?

I think in NL its easier to hide your cards. the people who look at my DB will find out that in a certain situation I can have -- a bunch of different hands...

plus 10/20 NL has a huge playing field. plus i am going to have a new account there when i start playing again.

i think you are giving way too much away here to your opposition.

[Steve Giufre]

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Dcifr, being a mod is a thankless task. Thank you for doing it. Now "mostly thankless".

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You are right. Im sure Barron is doing is best. I like Stox and Dcifr a lot, this just jumped out at me as something that was really out of place. I guess I have made my point, so there is no use carrying on.

[CardSharpCook]

Forgive me for not participating in the flame wars, but I actually find the proposed question to be interesting. How much is the DB of a successful player worth?

Well, PT costs $50, PAHUD costs $25, LHEFAP costs about $22. These are all tools that must be implemented by the purchaser. Without study and thought, PT is worthless. If you don't pay attention to PAHUD and view the correct stats, it too is worthless. If you don't crack open the book, LHEFAP can't make you a better player. Pat, Josh, and David aren't going to sit down and help you become a better player through explanations of how to use their product (though all 3 provide excellent customer service). How is a poker DB any different? Will having this DB make you a better player? Well, that depends on the amount of work you are willing to put into it. Is it worth more or less than PT, PAHUD, or LHEFAP? Well, in my opinion, it is worth a bit less. First, PAHUD, and the DB both depend on PT to provide any value whatsoever. LHEFAP provides written analysis of hands, explanations for plays, and outlines a strategy for successful Limit play. A DB does none of this.

Other problems with a DB? Well if someone were to look at my DBs, they'd see ridiculous bluffs, dubious value bets, and a couple overanxious folds. A thinking player would be rightly baffled at some of these plays, but... "PokerJohn loves to be aggressive, but will fold 70% of the time when I reraise the turn. Oh, Xanchoi will call with ace-high on this 4-flush board. My underpair of jacks is good for a VB here. HAHA, that's Moramud! He can only raise with 2P or better. I may have some outs, or maybe not."

Is there value in a DB of a winning player? Of course. But as always, finding that value is up to the player. Of course, there is also value in having the HH for several thousands hands for several thousand players at a limit you plan to join.

What would I pay for this DB? $20. I mean no slight to Stox in this. I think it is a valuable product and he is surely a fine player. But let's put it in perspective. A DB is not worth nearly as much as they other three products I mentioned. What should he sell it for? Whatever the market will bear.

[BarronVangorToth]

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What would I pay for this DB? $20. I mean no slight to Stox in this. I think it is a valuable product and he is surely a fine player. But let's put it in perspective. A DB is not worth nearly as much as they other three products I mentioned. What should he sell it for? Whatever the market will bear.

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You have an excellent post where I had nothing that I disagreed with, but I believe you left out one important factor:

Rarity.

(And, for those that don't know, I couldn't pick stox out of a two-man line-up.)

Those items you listed have fixed costs and anyone can purchase it. While you may find lesser value in something else, this isn't something that is floating around with thousands (tens of thousands? hundreds of thousands?) of copies.

Having a tool that not everyone and his sister has access to has its own value.

Barron Vangor Toth
BarronVangorToth.com

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... Of course, there is also value in having the HH for several thousands hands for several thousand players at a limit you plan to join....

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What is the dynamic for valuing this type of data? I can see that it provides different information from a DB containing a "Pro's" hands.

[KaneKungFu123]

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What would I pay for this DB? $20.


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you must be friends with the 1800gambler.

[Paluka]

I've been thinking about this thread, and it actually makes no sense to price a DB based on hourly rate. It should be done on rate per hand. I don't care how many tables the guy plays.

It makes no sence for stoxtrader to sell it for that price if he doesnt intend to change his style completely or perhaps change name. KKF is right imo. The value for a certain players would be too great. I mean its not even a BB.. I would pay that price instantly if I played with stoxtrader on a regular basis.