QQ and I call

marsvolta619 · #1 10-26-2005, 03:21 PM

5/10 at Stars, UTG has been laggy in the 2 orbits I've been at the table. I want to know if I missed any bets here. My reasoning was that I didn't want to get 3-bet if I raised, but wanted to see showdown with my second best pair. If he checked to me I would have bet.

Hero has QQ on the button.

UTG calls, all fold to me, I raise, SB folds, BB folds.

Flop: KT4r

Villain bets, I call.

Turn: 8 completing the rainbow

Villain bets, I call.

River: 3

Villain bets, I call.

How'd I do?

krimson · #2 10-26-2005, 03:25 PM

How about raising the river? I think you get 3-bet less often on the river, even from a K, and you don't scare him off a bluff early in the hand.

DMBFan23 · #3 10-26-2005, 03:42 PM

well played. UTG is laggy, so he is more likely than normal to fire that last barrel on the river (this means you are less likely to miss a bet versus raising the turn for a free showdown) and he will often value bet a worse hand the whole way. Also if he is bluffing on total air, raising makes him stop. against some players raising the turn would be good with a read, but I like ensuring a showdown against the LAGGY ones.

7ontheline · #4 10-26-2005, 03:55 PM

It depends on how LAGy UTG is. If you raise him, will he fold? Or will he 3-bet you with a weaker hand? I think you missed a raise somewhere - maybe the river, where you've got him to bet all the way down, or maybe the flop, where he might not believe you. I agree you definitely want to showdown but I bet he would have paid off a value-raise somewhere.