Pokerstars Micro-Limit Hand Question [Weak Draws facing Bets]

#1 12-20-2005, 03:57 PM

PokerStars 0.05/0.10 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, 1 fold, CO calls, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, CO checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (3 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB bets, BB raises, UTG+1 3-bets, MP1 folds, CO folds... HERO TO ACT.

This is all pretty straightforward here I guess. There isn't much extra information to give. I'm looking for thoughts on what my best action [on a consistent basis]might be in this spot

_Grunching Encouraged_ and I will post results w/in due time.

Thanks in advance,
Jack

Vote4Pedro · #2 12-20-2005, 04:02 PM

Easy fold, if I had a double gutty or an OESD(to go along with my frush) I'd call

Songwind · #3 12-20-2005, 04:03 PM

*grunch*
I also limp with this with that many players.
Flop: I don't think I could bring myself to bet at this pot, either.
Turn: I fold. You have 12 outs to a likely winner (flush and wheel), which is > 3:1, which are your pot odds. If SB declines to call the 2 cold and BB caps, you're getting even worse pot odds.

jrz1972 · #4 12-20-2005, 04:09 PM

Let's suppose SB folds and BB caps (not too unrealistic). In that case you'd be getting 3-1 to see the river. I'm not worried about running into a bigger flush in this spot, but I am a little concerned that the 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] or 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] could fill somebody up. And I wouldn't be surprised if out gutshot outs were only chopping for us.

I fold.

Weektite · #5 12-20-2005, 04:09 PM

With this much action and no reads, I'm generously assuming half of your flush outs are good, and there's a good chance that you'll only tie if a 4 comes off. Lay it down.

#6 12-20-2005, 04:12 PM

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Fold this holding pf with only 3 in. Consistently.

Vote4Pedro · #7 12-20-2005, 04:15 PM

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Ridiculously easy call PF. I'd hate folding a hand like this after 3(I'm assuming fishy) limpers. I'm calling w/ only 2 limpers.

#8 12-20-2005, 04:20 PM

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Ridiculously easy call PF. I'd hate folding a hand like this after 3(I'm assuming fishy) limpers. I'm calling w/ only 2 limpers.

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My position couldn't get any better and I did not expect a raise from either of the blinds. So even though I'm calling here as a deviation from standard play I think it's not a horribly weak spot.

To be fair any limit over $1/$2 and considering better opposition I am less inclined to do this. But I felt given the circumstances [position, lack of table aggression] that limping was okay here.

Thanks for responses so far,
Jack

bozlax · #9 12-20-2005, 04:29 PM

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Fold this holding pf with only 3 in. Consistently.

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May be weaksauce, but at least it's consistent. How many do you want in to limp this on the button?

#10 12-20-2005, 04:52 PM

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PokerStars 0.05/0.10 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, 1 fold, CO calls, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, CO checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (3 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB bets, BB raises, UTG+1 3-bets, MP1 folds, CO folds... HERO TO ACT.

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Hero folds, SB calls, BB calls.

River: (12 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets, SB calls, BB calls.

Final Pot: 15 BB

Results in white below: 
SB has 2h 8c (two pair, eights and twos).
BB has As 6s (one pair, aces).
UTG+1 has 8h Ah (two pair, aces and eights).
Outcome: UTG+1 wins 15 BB. 

As it stands they all had no part of the flush or straight draws. I folded "knowing" that someone had an Ace and "feeling" someone had a better flush draw.

I felt like I played it weakly for not staying in, but I don't think I can expect this situation to pay out for me on a consistant basis.

The responses have reassured my gut instinct so thanks for the replies.

- Jack