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Old 12-21-2005, 12:08 AM
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Damon gets on my scumbag list along with Boggs and Clemens.

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Didn't the Sox think Clemens was done and wish him sayonara? Also, Boggs got a ring out of the deal, so I don't see how you can fault that.
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Old 12-21-2005, 12:09 AM
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i mean really, WTF goes on over there?



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This one has Steinbrenner written all over it. He loves stars. He disregards age.

I don't like this move at all. Damon is a great hitter. But he's got no arm and in two years he'll pretty much be Bernie.
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Old 12-21-2005, 12:10 AM
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Why do the Yanks continue to get older? I think they just hurt themselves as Damon showed some signs of age last year and he isn't all that young anyway. He never had an arm so if he legs break down, the Yanks just got themselves Bernie Williams part II.

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I dunno, but I'll miss him.

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Sure, i will also. However, the RS cant make mistakes like the yankees can. this signing is a mistake.

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I agree. this reminds me of the pedro/mets deal. will make sense for 2 or 3 years, but not the last. we'll see if it ends up being worth it.
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Old 12-21-2005, 12:11 AM
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Damon gets on my scumbag list along with Boggs and Clemens. It seems even worse with Damon since he won a World Series with the Sox and the rivalry peaked while he was on the team.

Damon will be 32 (and a half) at the beginning of the 2006 season. He'll be 36 at the end of the contract. By comparison, Bernie Williams was 37 at the end of last season.

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and johnny was not nearly as good as bernie to begin with (obv talking prime years)
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Old 12-21-2005, 12:12 AM
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Damon gets on my scumbag list along with Boggs and Clemens.

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Didn't the Sox think Clemens was done and wish him sayonara? Also, Boggs got a ring out of the deal, so I don't see how you can fault that.

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It doesn't matter. Red Sox players who sign with the Yankees get on the scumbag list.

Bill Parcells is there too.
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Old 12-21-2005, 12:14 AM
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Damon gets on my scumbag list along with Boggs and Clemens.

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Didn't the Sox think Clemens was done and wish him sayonara? Also, Boggs got a ring out of the deal, so I don't see how you can fault that.

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It doesn't matter. Red Sox players who sign with the Yankees get on the scumbag list.

Bill Parcells is there too.

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OT, but:
"I resign as HC of the NYJ"

maybe my favorite qoute ever, and it was directed right at Parcells
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Old 12-21-2005, 12:15 AM
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It doesn't matter. Red Sox players who sign with the Yankees get on the scumbag list.



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This seems eminently reasonable.
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Old 12-21-2005, 12:16 AM
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Default Re: Johnny Damon signs with Yankees

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Old 12-21-2005, 12:17 AM
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I think it's a good costume
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Old 12-21-2005, 12:20 AM
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you think so? I can't think of any deals w/ an AAV of $19m that have been signed recently. there are now a # of $13-$15m guys, but $19M?

well, lets look at the most recent, paul konerko.

if we use the past 3 seasons to project next seasons production using the baseball prospectus stat BRAR (batting runs above replacement) in a 3/2/1 weighting system (i am hijacking this from a poster on SOSH EricVan) then we get this:

manny:

62 x 3
62 x 2
73 x 1

konerko

48 x 3
40 x 2
4 x 1

manny comes out to project to about 63 RAR and konerko comes out to equal 38. of course some will say that, hey thats not fair konerko had a horrible year in 03, while i will say, yeah manny didnt!

manny cashes in at 3.30 runs per million

konerko cashes in at 2.92 per million spent

lets be very optimistic for konerko and eliminate 2003 (which i dont see a good reason to, but will for humor purposes)

konerko then clocks in at 44.8 expected runs which is 3.44 runs per million, still barely more cost efficient than ramirez.

lets now do abreu

his BRAR

54 x 3
73 x 2
60 x 1

projects to produce about 61 runs above replacement level, which equates to 4.17 runs per million.

you can now easily see why the red sox would do this deal, and philly would laugh at it.

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the post from earlier this month where i was making an attempt to put a value on how much a guy costs per run created.

here is how JD's new deal breaks down:

2003 22 BRAR (22x1)
2004 38 BRAR (38x2)
2005 35 BRAR (35x3)

he could be expected to produce 33.8 BRAR in 2006. at 13m that equates to 2.6 runs per million, which is worse than konerko. now johnny damon plays CF at an average level, so that gives him more value, however by year 3 this deal will be horrific not just bad.
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