QQ Preflop: How does the buy in determine how you play this hand?

[Scuba Chuck]

Buster, after rereading your posts in this thread, I can see where you're coming from now. Given the circumstances described in OP, certainly JJ is a fold here.

Are you saying that given the pf action, at your level, only QQ+, AK makes this play? I can understand if you know villain, and you know that is his hand range, but that's another story. From reading other hand histories of higher buyin players, randoms can make this play with AQ and TT.

Oh, and welcome to the forum.
Scuba

There is the possibility of hands other than QQ+, but it is not great enough to risk losing my stack this early provided there are no reads(they will surface later) - in other words, in 2+2 terms, ev is negative -- when you take into account the structure of an SNG of course.

Now say the other guy does have AQ or TT. We decided we are only calling (all-in vs. even this "expanded" range is too dangerous). Where do we plan to trap him? Ace or King on the flop folds you -- though he will also continuation bet with TT and thus take us off the best hand(and value) -- only flop we are playing is non Ace or King. TT may give us action on a flop of small cards, but a good player will still be wary considering we called a re-raise - a set or overcards to his TT are very strong possibility. AQ on a Qxx flop is a stronger hand for him, but quite imporbable since we hold QQ. Only AQx or KQx flop is a true payoff (or any other set flop if he has KK or AA) - but we don't have the odds to draw to a set preflop. Otherwise, I don't see us getting much action on a favorable flop - an absolute must if this play were to be correct.

I would be appalled if the higher level Party SNG experts agree with all you "QQ on level 1" fanatics - it is a specialty hand that must be played acutely.

[curtains]

What I do here will vary. It would depend on the reraiser. btw it goes without saying that if the reraiser is a known moron, that I will reraise. If the reraiser is a known tightplayer I will likely fold as in this case I think that reraising is hugely -EV. Although I get the sense that people here have trouble understnading just how tight some guys are early on in the $215, when it comes to their reraising and raising standards.

[valenzuela]

curtains wouldnt a call be better with QQ?? I mean the odds for a set are there.
Anyway on the 33s I would push and on the 55s I would reraise to 300( only due to the 200 extra chips).

[curtains]

valenzuela if the odds for a set woould be there why wouldnt I call with 22? Anyway calling is okay too, I am just very weak tight.

[valenzuela]

If im sure that:
1)My oponent has AA/KK/AK
2)Every time I hit a set and he has AA/KK he will give me his stack.
3)Every time he has AK and fails to get a pair he will check the flop after I check it.
4)He will never check the flop with AA/KK after I check it.

Then of course Im calling with 22.

[curtains]

I wouldn't call with 22 for sure. Cmon there is still soeone else in the hand that can reraise. I think calling with 22, even with your above conditions, would be a pretty terrible play in a sit and go.

[valenzuela]

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Cmon there is still soeone else in the hand that can reraise.

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ehhh...got me there. Im still not folding QQ though

[jeffraider]

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If im sure that:
1)My oponent has AA/KK/AK
2)Every time I hit a set and he has AA/KK he will give me his stack.
3)Every time he has AK and fails to get a pair he will check the flop after I check it.
4)He will never check the flop with AA/KK after I check it.

Then of course Im calling with 22.

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Sweet list of conditions dude ever managed to get all of those going at once at the table?

[DCJ311]

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If im sure that:
1)My oponent has AA/KK/AK
2)Every time I hit a set and he has AA/KK he will give me his stack.
3)Every time he has AK and fails to get a pair he will check the flop after I check it.
4)He will never check the flop with AA/KK after I check it.

Then of course Im calling with 22.

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Why are you wasting your time posting your great advice on 2+2 when you could be making millions of dollars in sngs?