What could Dannenman have put Hachem on in the last hand?

#1 11-16-2005, 05:32 AM

I just can't get my mind around the last hand at the WSOP. I forget the exact betting sequence (I'm liable to get it wrong here, so please correct me) but I remember that Hachem called a PFR from the BB with 7-3 off suit. The flop came 4-5-6, with two diamonds. Dannenman bet out like $500,000 with A-3 off suit, and Hachem raised $1 million more. Dannenman called, and the turn came an ace. Dannenman bet out, and Hachem came big over the top of him (I don't remember if that would put Dannenman all in or not, but he went all in shortly thereafter).

Now what in the world could Dannenman have put Hachem on here that would make him call? Hachem obviously wasn't concerned about the ace, so if he's playing reasonably it seems to me you have to put him on a better ace or a set or think that he flopped the straight, which of course he did. Even a decent ace has Dannenman beat at that point, and the only other thing he's got going is the straight draw, but everything I can see puts him behind in the hand at that point. So what could Dannenman have put Hachem on that would make him go all in like that and risk the whole tournament?

godofgamblers · #2 11-16-2005, 07:41 AM

Danneman simply isn't good enough to get away from a hand like that. He could have put him on something dumb like K6, 36, 67 or anything like that. Note this is just what it seems from what I've watched on the WSOP. He is an amateur, so top pair AND a up and down straight draw is too much for him to fold. He probably thinks he either has a better ace or just a draw, and he has outs against either. Once I saw the Ace, I knew that if Hachem moved in, Danneman would definitely call given the way he played the rest of the tournament.

thetman · #3 11-16-2005, 09:32 AM

I definitely think the long session contributed to the questionable play by Dannenman on the end, but he played great the whole tournament otherwise so good for him.

lonn19 · #4 11-16-2005, 11:13 AM

Top pair with a straight draw looks good heads up, plus all the emotion in that room and the long hours of play.

#5 11-16-2005, 09:40 PM

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Top pair with a straight draw looks good heads up, plus all the emotion in that room and the long hours of play.

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I agree, unless your opponent is coming over the top of you on both the flop and the turn and putting you all-in. Or so it seems to me.

ToledoTommy · #6 11-17-2005, 02:57 PM

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Top pair with a straight draw looks good heads up, plus all the emotion in that room and the long hours of play.

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I agree, unless your opponent is coming over the top of you on both the flop and the turn and putting you all-in. Or so it seems to me.

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I agree. However fatigue and time could've made your hand look like the nuts. I think ESPN didn't do a good enough job in exploring this but that's being covered in another string I believe.

Leaky Eye · #7 11-16-2005, 09:57 AM

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Danneman simply isn't good enough to get away from a hand like that. He could have put him on something dumb like K6, 36, 67 or anything like that. Note this is just what it seems from what I've watched on the WSOP. He is an amateur, so top pair AND a up and down straight draw is too much for him to fold. He probably thinks he either has a better ace or just a draw, and he has outs against either. Once I saw the Ace, I knew that if Hachem moved in, Danneman would definitely call given the way he played the rest of the tournament.

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He has to double up sometime. What the hell is he supposed to wait for? I would have a hard time laying that down myself.

Jbrochu · #8 11-16-2005, 12:10 PM

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He has to double up sometime. What the hell is he supposed to wait for? I would have a hard time laying that down myself.

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Ditto for me. Once I saw that hand last night I couldn't understand what the big stink was about.

I also totally changed my mind about Dannenman between the first episode and the last. I think he had a great attitude and played really, really well considering his experience level.

private joker · #9 11-16-2005, 07:48 AM

Both players were delirious after 13.5 hours of poker, added to the stress of the tournament, a week of hair-pulling decisions, TV cameras, cheering crowds, and a pile of $7.5 million dumped on the table behind them.

I'm surprised they could even sit upright in their chairs and handle chips, let alone play solid poker. And you're wondering why Dannenmann didn't get away from a hand after turning top pair?

#10 11-16-2005, 08:11 AM

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Both players were delirious after 13.5 hours of poker, added to the stress of the tournament, a week of hair-pulling decisions, TV cameras, cheering crowds, and a pile of $7.5 million dumped on the table behind them.

I'm surprised they could even sit upright in their chairs and handle chips, let alone play solid poker. And you're wondering why Dannenmann didn't get away from a hand after turning top pair?

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