Am I just living a sheltered online poker life?

[IgorSmiles]

I can live with a cap, but 2/5 should be $500 not $200.

Do not lower your starting raise amount, unless you want to see your big pairs cracked.

[runnerunner]

So exactly why don't you want to play a game that is set up to accomodate to very very bad players? This game at the Trump is soft with a capital S. If I had $50 for every time I heard some donkey push with second pair and say "I was shortstacked, I had to go all in"......wait a second, I do have $50 for every time they said that!!

The game is set up to cater to WPT clowns who can go all in without risking a month's pay. The rake is brutal, but the game is as soft as it gets.

[MicroBob]

Lots of players PREFER time-charge games (I've never playe in one).


9 seated players (on average) X $14 for each hour = $126/hr that the casino is taking in.

The 'other' way would be perhaps $4 'average' rake on 40 hands an hour for $160/hr.

Just very rough estimates.

If it's one of those places that would typically take up to $6-max out of the bigger pots then even a tighter player would probably be better off in a time-charge game such as this imo.


I recently learned via these forums that even some limit games down to 10/20 are 'time-charge' games in Atlantic City.
I think it's usually 40/80 or 80/160 or stuff like that which are time-charge games in Calif or Vegas (but I don't really know since I don't play that high).

I would LOVE for the 10/20 that I play at the Horseshoe in Tunica to be a time-charge game. The dealers are quite good and they have the automatic shufflers in the tables...so we are typically getting quite a few hands cranked out per hour.


Obviously...the faster the dealers are...the more the players should prefer the time-charge way of doing things.

If the dealers are pretty slow then you might get pretty ticked off thinking about the 'rate' that you are now paying per hand (or at least I would).

[bobbyi]

2/5 with a 200 buyin is an extremely common structure nowadays (in some california cardrooms like the bike and the commerce, they do 3/5 blinds instead). In my area, that is actually the only casino NL game available. People often play long sessions in a casino, so the stack sizes can get to a reasonable size, even though the starting amount is small. In online games where a lot of people play short sessions and hop tables (forcing you to reset to the max buyin or less), it makes much more sense to have a larger max buyin relative to the blinds.

$7/half is a pretty expensive time charge for this game. I don't know what is standard for no limit, but for limit holdem that is usually about what you would pay for a 20/40 game or so, which is quite a bit larger than a 2/5 no limit.

That is how they did it in Vegas when I was there. I like the time rule better than the rake whihc was 10% up to $4 for every hand if I remember correctly, which ends up being pretty expensive (compared to online poker anyway).

[bobbyi]

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I recently learned via these forums that even some limit games down to 10/20 are 'time-charge' games in Atlantic City.

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In NYC, I have played in time charge 4/8 games.

[MicroBob]

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$7/half is a pretty expensive time charge for this game.

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yes it is.
but I think some of the Indiana and Illinois rooms have a $6 max-rake even on 3/6 limit so I guess I'm not surprised (note - have no idea if this is the kind of rake they have on some of the limit games at the casino he was at).

[phuc]

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yes it is.
but I think some of the Indiana and Illinois rooms have a $6 max-rake even on 3/6 limit so I guess I'm not surprised (note - have no idea if this is the kind of rake they have on some of the limit games at the casino he was at).

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yeah, Harrah's (now Resorts) went to a $6 max rake for a few months until Trump became competition and they had to lower it back to $5 max...but there is still the $1 jackpot drop so it makes it $6 anyway.

[phuc]

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Okay, thanks...
Should I alter my preflop raise when I first sit down since I am short stacked? Instead of the standard 3-5xBB should I keep it down towards 3x? Or should I just play normal and keep reloading when I fall too far below $200?

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Do not lower your preflop raise size. The fish at Trump will call large preflop raises with horrible hands. Just make sure you have a premium hand when you do raise with a short stack because you will likely go all-in. Raising small is asking to be cracked. I only do it to change my play up a bit and with Ace-suited or something like that in late position when there are lots of people in. Most of the fish don't realize that I'm just sweetening the pot in case I hit a nice draw. Good players will notice and re-raise you, but it's not too much of a worry.

[10-20Jerome]

Because its a very very bad game. I get win consistentaly(sp) at I game where it pays to play bad. Its set up almost like limit. EX. 185 in the pot, you have 3-4 short stack players, 2 to a flush on the flop. There is no way I can bet a 75 stack of a flush draw or for that matter I cant even bluff a guy(or women) of a pot. I know in none capped you run into short stack, just not as often.

Is a total different game, no caps. I can call a big bet on the flop with full intentions of betting or raising the turn with nothing. I can do this because with no cap its not "all-in" poker. If my bet on the turn leaves me with say 1750 left. And my opponent(s) stil have 1500-2000, you can see the choice they might have to make on the river.

Im not being a smart ass or anything, I personaly know of serval people that perfer these games and excel. They have adjusted there play to these games. I learned NL with no cap and I cant figure out these games where a big pot consist of at least two players allin. In the NL I know pots can still be big(over 1250-1500) with nobody being all in..

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