Jerk of the Day

andyfox · #1 12-08-2005, 03:17 AM

Two players remaining in the pot. Board is 8-8-8-K-T. First player checks. Second player bets. First player check-raises. Second player calls.

First player shows A-8, quads. Second player shakes his head and mucks. First player tells the dealer, "I want to see his hand."

I'm normally a mild-mannered milquetoast, but had I been the second player, he would only have been able to see my cards if he could look up his own ass.

Boris · #2 12-08-2005, 03:24 AM

Hi Andy,

Maybe you and the jerk could settle things here.

murellus · #3 12-08-2005, 04:10 AM

if i was the second player id pop the cards in my mouth and chew on them, then show him

Easy E · #4 12-08-2005, 10:41 AM

Why didn't you say something to the schmuck?

andyfox · #5 12-08-2005, 01:16 PM

Others immediately did.

#6 12-08-2005, 10:58 AM

That's awful. Did the dealer expose his hand? What limit/casino did this happen at?

andyfox · #7 12-08-2005, 01:15 PM

Loser tried to muck (he was in seat 9). The cards were on the muck, dealer took them out and showed them. Loser complained to the dealer, who responded, correctly, that the requeset to see his cards came before he mucked.

40-80. Commerce.

#8 12-08-2005, 01:34 PM

I know there is the "expose the hand to prevent collusion" rule, but I've never seen anyone invoke it. Abuse of the rule like this is simply unconscionable.

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40-80. Commerce.

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Would other rooms expose the loser's hand in this situation (i.e. where no collusion could have taken place)? Absent other factors (the game being ridiculously good) I would avoid playing there if this is how they run their room. This jerk is taking advantage of the rules and the dealer is letting him.

andyfox · #9 12-08-2005, 01:46 PM

Other rooms in So. Calif. would indeed expose the hand. While collusion is indeed the reason for the rule, it doesn't specify as such in the rulebook. All the book says is that if there's a call on the river, any player in the game can ask to see any and all hands. The dealer has no choice but to honor the request.

coffeecrazy1 · #10 12-08-2005, 11:00 AM

Response to this is to ask to see jerk's hand every time he makes it to the river, regardless of whether or not you are in the hand. Do not miss one single time.