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Old 11-12-2005, 06:44 PM
flopmonster flopmonster is offline
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Default Re: River AQ

Call because both draws that he could have donked on the turn just got there and if not I guess hes just retarded and is bluffing so by raising you will either get 3 bet by a better hand or the donk will call. I think you are losing this showdown btw
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Old 11-12-2005, 06:50 PM
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Default Re: River AQ

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So that's 2 for call, 1 for raise. But the 1 for raise is pretty kind of persuasive. So I'm not saying it's 66% call. I'm saying it's about 55-60% for a call, meaning I'd call but it's very close.

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Thats wrong because you don't weight these three reasons equally.

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Um, no it's right because I don't weight them equally. If I did, it would be 66% towards a call. Since I'm weighing #2 a bit more heavily, I'm saying that I would lean 55-60% towards a call.
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Old 11-12-2005, 06:54 PM
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Generally, you want to have the best hand 66 percent of the time to raise. However, you can do with a little less here because many players are too passive to 3 bet their sets on a flush/straight river.

So, I definitely raise. I think you have the best hand less than 66 percent of the time, but still often enough to be profitable because you are not always going to get 3 bet by a set.
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Old 11-12-2005, 07:01 PM
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I used to raise in this spot and I always had the worst hand. If you call he will show AT and if you raise it will be KJ [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. So I'm calling here for sure as the only logical hand that we can beat is AT. You are not going to win this hand > 66% of the time when you raise IMO. Hell I don't think you will win this pot 50% of the time or even 33% of the time when called or reraised.
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Old 11-12-2005, 07:53 PM
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I'd say raise because you will get shown QT very often in this spot (or a worse two pair). I think with a set you'd get 3-bet on the turn. I also wouldn't expect a turn donk from KJ, unless its naked KJo.
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Old 11-12-2005, 08:47 PM
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two pair would have 3-bet you on the turn i think. looks like a pair draw that got there. id call.
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Old 11-12-2005, 11:45 PM
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if you can fold to a 3-bet, raise.

fwiw i wouldn't be able to fold to a 3-bet.
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Old 11-13-2005, 12:22 AM
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I think private joker's analysis is spot on. Call.
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Old 11-13-2005, 12:22 AM
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Very much agree with this. Also, I limp preflop now.

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Old 11-13-2005, 12:25 AM
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Elaborate a bit please. I can see doing this here with AJ but we've got an open-limper and a few others who don't really seem to have much. Seems like a raise.
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