Turn Raise

[Jeff W]

This is a great squeeze play.

When I first looked at it, I thought it was spewing, but you are committed to call given the pot size and the extra BB has sufficient folding+drawing equity.

[Schizo]

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He's not c/r'ing for protection, as the first quote seems to advocate. Its for value.

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Eh, check raising the flop can be for value and fold better hands or overcards/5 outers at the same time. It can have a dual purpose.

[Schizo]

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but you are committed to call given the pot size and the extra BB has sufficient folding+drawing equity.

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Ok, I understand what you mean behind odds to call. I also understand the theory behind this hand, however, how do you KNOW it has enough folding equity?

[oreogod]

Looks fine against someone who is unimaginative but any good/decent player would call down here imo.

[TStoneMBD]

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Looks fine against someone who is unimaginative but any good/decent player would call down here imo.

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i agree

[Schizo]

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BB looks like a standard unimaginitive tag.

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What stats or plays did you see to classify him as "unimaginative"?

[Danenania]

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Looks fine against someone who is unimaginative but any good/decent player would call down here imo.

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i agree

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You'd call the turn with KK-JJ in BB's position?

[oreogod]

A good majority of the time yes, you limped pf and CRed twice on a draw heavy board...shady enough that Im calling down.

[TStoneMBD]

depends, but i would definitely sometimes fold it, certainly often enough to show immediate profit with a 1BB investment. i also fold more than most people here it seems. still though your play looks a little suspect.

[JDalla]

I can't think of a single player who would fold JJ-KK against me here. So I wouldn't ever make this play. (maybe I just play a lot of fish, or I have a loose table image, who knows...)
plus, half the time the random cold calling player will have A3 or something rediculous like that.