90% sure I'm getting semibluffed

Bukem_ · #1 11-07-2005, 01:38 PM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 max, 5 handed)

Hero ($704.10)
UTG ($671.65)
MP ($1426.42)
Button ($1190.65)
SB ($549.35)

Villain is 25/15 pretty aggro post flop. Possibly 2+2er, I used to see him playing in 2k game, possible he got kicked back down. Seems like he is doing well 4+ tabling the 600 games right now.

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $3.
2 folds, Button raises to $20, 1 fold, Hero calls $14.

Flop: ($43) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: ($43) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $35, Button raises to $100, Hero? Push here, 300? Call, and call most river bets? Fold?

djoyce003 · #2 11-07-2005, 01:40 PM

i'm not so sure.

The check behind on the flop followed by the turn raise is almost always the nuts or damn close. 999 is my guess.

(disclaimer) I play 25, 50 and 100NL...never played the 600.

Ghazban · #3 11-07-2005, 01:43 PM

If you don't know what to do here, I think you should reraise preflop. Do you see why?

jkkkk · #4 11-07-2005, 01:43 PM

Trying to get tricky eh?

Call turn, lead river fold to a raise.

Bukem_ · #5 11-07-2005, 01:47 PM

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If you don't know what to do here, I think you should reraise preflop. Do you see why?

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I tend to call preflop when opponents are over aggro, and I have been pretty tight. If I reraise preflop here in this situation I might as well turn my cards over for him.

scrapperdog · #6 11-07-2005, 01:56 PM

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If you don't know what to do here, I think you should reraise preflop. Do you see why?

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I tend to call preflop when opponents are over aggro, and I have been pretty tight. If I reraise preflop here in this situation I might as well turn my cards over for him.

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There was a post on this a while back from a guy on the high limit section that decided to come down and give us a few things to follow.

He said that the for a flat call to be correct here (pre flop) you have to be certain the other player will fold to a re-raise. Even if this guy is overagressive that alone is not enough to justify a flat call. I tend to agree with this.

Ghazban · #7 11-07-2005, 02:01 PM

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If you don't know what to do here, I think you should reraise preflop. Do you see why?

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I tend to call preflop when opponents are over aggro, and I have been pretty tight. If I reraise preflop here in this situation I might as well turn my cards over for him.

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But without reraising, you have no idea where you stand with your kings. They were almost certainly the best hand preflop but now there are 4 other cards out there and you set yourself up to either fold the best hand or pay off the best hand. If I flat call a button open with a big hand like aces or kings, I do it because I know how the other guy plays postflop and I should be able to figure out with a reasonable degree of certainty if I'm ahead. If I don't think I can do this, I reraise and postflop is a billion times easier. The title of your post implies you've got a pretty good read so go ahead and pop him back. Any hand that semibluffs the turn is behind your kings but you'll have a tough decision on the end if you flat call as you will not know if the river helped him or not.

derick · #8 11-07-2005, 04:05 PM

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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 max, 5 handed)

Hero ($704.10)
UTG ($671.65)
MP ($1426.42)
Button ($1190.65)
SB ($549.35)

Villain is 25/15 pretty aggro post flop. Possibly 2+2er, I used to see him playing in 2k game, possible he got kicked back down. Seems like he is doing well 4+ tabling the 600 games right now.

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $3.
2 folds, Button raises to $20, 1 fold, Hero calls $14.

Flop: ($43) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: ($43) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $35, Button raises to $100, Hero? Push here, 300? Call, and call most river bets? Fold?

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80%+ of the time I would reraise KK preflop from the BB.

Why are you considering calling and giving him a free card to his semibluff draw? EDIT:Just read TWP's advice... yeah it makes sense to bet on a safe river and fold to a push.

300 sounds good. Now he must put in $200 to see a pot of $478. If he's on a semibluff it will give him less than the 4 to 1 odds for his flush so he may be tempted to call and make a mistake ...

I hate pushing here. If he's on a draw he will get a way cheaply and if he's ahead he will easily call.

TheWorstPlayer · #9 11-07-2005, 04:07 PM

Call and weak lead the river. Call a push.

Bukem_ · #10 11-07-2005, 04:08 PM

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Call and weak lead the river. Call a push.

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Am I inviting a bluff? I'd rather check call river If I called the turn.