$33 - flop trips, turn an UGLY full house

junkmail3 · #1 09-27-2005, 02:40 PM

I'm interested in how many people would call this push.

I'm most interested in the 'why' of your decision.

***** Hand History for Game 2768668255 *****
30/60 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 16032837) - Sat Sep 24 17:51:57 EDT 2005
Table Table 12713 (Real Money) -- Seat 4 is the button

Total number of players : 7
Seat 2: VILLIAN (540)
Seat 3: A (2345)
Seat 4: B (1175)
Seat 5: C (520)
Seat 7: HERO (770)
Seat 9: D (1960)
Seat 10: E (690)
C posts small blind (15)
HERO posts big blind (30)

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ 6c, 2s ]
D calls (30)
E folds.
VILLIAN calls (30)
A calls (30)
B folds.
C calls (15)
HERO checks.

** Dealing Flop ** : [ 6s, Kc, 6h ]
C checks.
HERO checks.
D checks.
VILLIAN bets (100)
A folds.
C folds.
HERO calls (100)
D folds.

** Dealing Turn ** : [ Ks ]
HERO checks.
VILLIAN bets (410)
VILILAN is all-In.

HERO???

#2 09-27-2005, 02:46 PM

FOLD...you will still have 640 left to play, and i dont see villain betting there without a King (very unlikely he plays that position with a 6).

DarrenX · #3 09-27-2005, 03:13 PM

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I'm interested in how many people would call this push.

I'm most interested in the 'why' of your decision.

***** Hand History for Game 2768668255 *****
30/60 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 16032837) - Sat Sep 24 17:51:57 EDT 2005
Table Table 12713 (Real Money) -- Seat 4 is the button

Total number of players : 7
Seat 2: VILLIAN (540)
Seat 3: A (2345)
Seat 4: B (1175)
Seat 5: C (520)
Seat 7: HERO (770)
Seat 9: D (1960)
Seat 10: E (690)
C posts small blind (15)
HERO posts big blind (30)

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ 6c, 2s ]
D calls (30)
E folds.
VILLIAN calls (30)
A calls (30)
B folds.
C calls (15)
HERO checks.

** Dealing Flop ** : [ 6s, Kc, 6h ]
C checks.
HERO checks.
D checks.
VILLIAN bets (100)
A folds.
C folds.
HERO calls (100)
D folds.

** Dealing Turn ** : [ Ks ]
HERO checks.
VILLIAN bets (410)
VILILAN is all-In.

HERO???

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Read-dependent. Lacking a read I'd fold against a typical $33 player, who I would expect to trip over themselves to get their chips in with a king.

I think the problem here is not betting the turn. I think you could safely fold to an ott push of a 100 blocking bet knowing you're beat. As it stands, he could simply be pushing because you checked.

junkmail3 · #4 09-27-2005, 03:21 PM

Yeah, my read wasn't really that good on him. After hands like these I tell myself to never slowplay again. But then I do.

if I bet the turn I put 100 into a 320 pot, he pushes.

Now there is 840 and I need to call 320. This would tempt me. There are 2 kings. Does he really have one often enough for me not to call profitably? Now if I check and he pushes the odds are a little less tempting.

Not a justification for not blocking, but just a thought.

DarrenX · #5 09-27-2005, 03:43 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Yeah, my read wasn't really that good on him. After hands like these I tell myself to never slowplay again. But then I do.

if I bet the turn I put 100 into a 320 pot, he pushes.

Now there is 840 and I need to call 320. This would tempt me. There are 2 kings. Does he really have one often enough for me not to call profitably? Now if I check and he pushes the odds are a little less tempting.

Not a justification for not blocking, but just a thought.

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Yeah, the pot odds are tempting... BUT, I'll say this- against a typical $33er (which I'll have to assume he is w/o a read) I don't think he comes ott enough with air not to feel confident you're beat. I don't think the typical $33er has that move in his arsenal.

If he's solid, you check/raise the flop. OR, check/call and get dealt, oh, I don't know, ANY OTHER card besides a king on the turn... man, this crud is FIXED!! "only at PP" [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]