Would you be a winning player at your level if...

[TheNoodleMan]

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point taken, but how many people does this really apply to? If you aren't 20 tabling the 22s, then this isn't really an issue, right?
Also, are you saying that when you are playing large numbers of tables that you are starting them in staggerd sets and picking up the new ones in progress when the furthest along finish?

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lol, when im playing large numbers of tables, i start them as soon as i bust. i never stagger. i dont care what lvl the tournament is on. there are so many that everything staggers itself anyways.

as far as playing early stages in the 22s and such, my roi would probably go up 5-7% if i played the best early game possible. i open shove with QQ, KK, AA for lvls 1-2 when im 20+ tabling. just fyi. holla

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interesting. thanks for the insight into your method <font color="white">or madness, which ever it may be. </font>

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i open shove with QQ, KK, AA for lvls 1-2 when im 20+ tabling

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Would u mind telling your ROI, over how many sngs. I actually play early stage, and I think its a HUGE boost to my ROI (which is probably lower than yours). Maybe I dont understand how complex bubble play is cuz it seems pretty clear cut most of the time for me.

Brian

[tom441lbk]

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point taken, but how many people does this really apply to? If you aren't 20 tabling the 22s, then this isn't really an issue, right?
Also, are you saying that when you are playing large numbers of tables that you are starting them in staggerd sets and picking up the new ones in progress when the furthest along finish?

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lol, when im playing large numbers of tables, i start them as soon as i bust. i never stagger. i dont care what lvl the tournament is on. there are so many that everything staggers itself anyways.

as far as playing early stages in the 22s and such, my roi would probably go up 5-7% if i played the best early game possible. i open shove with QQ, KK, AA for lvls 1-2 when im 20+ tabling. just fyi. holla

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you're that donkey....

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I think this idea of sitting out the first 2 levels is very -ev. At the beginning of hand 1, the worst players and the best players all have the same number of chips. At the end of hand 20, there is a very good chance that a bad player has given away all of his chips, I want to give myself every chance to get those chips.
Even if you could be a winning player while sitting out level 1 and 2, why would you even consider it?

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why would you consider it? to maximize the number of tables played. at the lower buyins, your skill advantage doesnt stem as much from early level play as much as it does from playing when the blinds get bigger. you can add more tables instead of playing hands early.. it makes your $/hr shoot way up. who cares about roi. $/hr is all that matters.

if you are playing a 109+, then obv sitting out the first 2 levels is very -ev, and may make you a losing player. in fact, it more than likely would. in the 109s and 215s, you can pick up a lot of chips just being aggressive in the first couple levels. to not have that ability is very very bad. in the 22s and such, the first couple levels are useless to me. holla

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i kinda stagger. if i bust out at lvl1 or 2 (which is often - see below), i start a new game. but not after lvl2. i get too confused. but i guess i could also rearrange windows so that new games are clustered in one place. Thx for giving me the idea Raptor [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

as for sitting out lvl1+2, it depends on your play style.

My 8-10th place finishes = ~20%. but my roi over the past 1000 SnGs is 15% at $55. (i play very aggressively, and take coin flips early.)

so my ITM would probably go up if i sat out lvl1+2, but i have no idea what effect it will do to my ROI. i will probably need to change my strategy since i rarely enter lvl4 with ~850 chips. it's usually 1500+ or &lt;600.

hm.. i might give it a try as an experiment since currently, i'm -.02bb at lvl2, and -.04bb at lvl3. [img]/images/graemlins/ooo.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

[bones]

I have a feeling that sitting out 2 levels and still winning over the long run would be significantly more difficult than most people here realize.

There's a very big difference between playing tight the first 2 levels and sitting them out.

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I have a feeling that sitting out 2 levels and still winning over the long run would be significantly more difficult than most people here realize.

There's a very big difference between playing tight the first 2 levels and sitting them out.

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Of course there'a big difference, but that wasn't the question. Even if you drop 10% ROI you can still be 'winning'.

I don't know what the average player's BB/Hand is in level 1 is. For me it is +.06 in level 1 and .02 in level 2. If I just sat out completely I'd be around -.15 in each. For me it doesn't seem like it would make a big difference.

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I don't know what the average player's BB/Hand is in level 1 is. For me it is +.06 in level 1 and .02 in level 2. If I just sat out completely I'd be around -.15 in each. For me it doesn't seem like it would make a big difference.

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You aren't factoring in the chips gained when you do play, and how much it effects your chances to finish first.

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Of course there'a big difference, but that wasn't the question. Even if you drop 10% ROI you can still be 'winning'

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Most people don't beat the game, even on this board. Certainly 80% (or whatever the vote is at now) don't beat it for more than 10%.

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You aren't factoring in the chips gained when you do play, and how much it effects your chances to finish first.

don't forget to factor in that you never bust or bleed a single chip if you sit out though.

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Of course there'a big difference, but that wasn't the question. Even if you drop 10% ROI you can still be 'winning'

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Most people don't beat the game, even on this board. Certainly 80% (or whatever the vote is at now) don't beat it for more than 10%.

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Guess I was just speaking for myself then.