AK flops Trips and gets more action than God himself would want

NYCNative · #1 09-06-2005, 02:38 AM

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (10 handed) converter

MP3 ($105.90)
CO ($51.25)
Button ($54.15)
SB ($93.50)
BB ($99)
UTG ($39)
UTG+1 ($34.15)
UTG+2 ($43.50)
Hero ($77.10)
MP2 ($100)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. MP2 posts a blind of $1.
UTG calls $1, 2 folds, Hero raises to $4, 3 folds, Button calls $4, SB calls $3.50, 1 fold, UTG calls $3.

Flop: ($18) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $10, Button raises to $50.15 all-in, SB calls $50.15, UTG folds, Hero raises to $73.10 all-in, SB calls $22.95.

Turn: ($214.35) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)

River: ($214.35) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)

Final Pot: $214.35

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How did I do? Would it have been insanely weak-tight folding this because of worry over someone hitting with pocket 4s or worrying a donk played it with A4 (or even against all odds, both)?

Bukem_ · #2 09-06-2005, 02:44 AM

Sb has to be a super rock to fold this.

Alot of times when there is heavy action on the flop, someone flopped the full, and even AK is a fold.

But short stacks donkish action pretty much ties you in here since you have no info about whether Sb is just calling with another Ace, or if he flopped a full.

Hold on and hope for best.

Malachii · #3 09-06-2005, 02:46 AM

I had a very similar hand recently. I don't think it's "insanely weak tight" to be worried about 44 here, primarily because you have 3 aces accounted for and there are 2 people all in infront of you. Obviously they can't both have aces. There are no credible draws. I think you can fold this safely. If there was a possible flush draw, I call.

Malachii · #4 09-06-2005, 02:47 AM

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Sb has to be a super rock to fold this.

Hold on and hope for best.

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What range of hands do you put them on?

donny5k · #5 09-06-2005, 02:48 AM

button has a pocket pair, SB has a worse ace. call. move on. At worst you win 20 of your 40 back from SB who does not have 44.

Malachii · #6 09-06-2005, 02:57 AM

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button has a pocket pair, SB has a worse ace.

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I know, he has 44! Really though, you're being extremely optimistic here. Hand reading isn't "picking something that they can maybe/kinda/possibly have that you beat" and then getting your money in. You have to think about their range of hands. I would not feel comfortable getting my money in here.
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At worst you win 20 of your 40 back from SB who does not have 44.

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Completely unsupportable assumption.

#7 09-06-2005, 03:00 AM

Had the same thing happen to me on a KKJ flop I was up against JJ and K4. I ended up breaking about even because JJ was a short stack.

Malachii · #8 09-06-2005, 03:02 AM

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Had the same thing happen to me on a KKJ flop I was up against JJ and K4. I ended up breaking about even because JJ was a short stack.

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Slightly different situation though, because there are 3 straight possibilities (AQ, AT, QT.) Here there is really no draw that makes sense.

donny5k · #9 09-06-2005, 03:04 AM

His coldcall screams that he has the last ace to me. There aren't a lot of 44's and A4's possible. You aren't drawing dead anyway. This is optimistic but almost no hands beat you, making the overplayed hands pretty likely.

Malachii · #10 09-06-2005, 03:15 AM

Donny, I'm going to sleep soon, but I will reiterate the premise of my argument for folding:

There are 4 aces in the deck. There are two on the flop. OP has a third ace. There are TWO players who invest 50$ into the pot on this flop. 2 players + 2 aces on flop + 1 ace in OPs hand = 5. Someone almost certainly has trips beaten here with 44.

As for your argument that somebody probably has a pocket pair here - well, that's extremely unlikely. OP raises preflop. He leads out on an AAx flop and all of a sudden you're telling me thinks there 88 is good here in a multiway pot? This is 100$ NL, not 10$ NL.