Taking money off the table.

AlexHoops · #1 11-12-2005, 06:42 PM

The last time I was playing in a casino I was at the 10/20 LHE table. I showed up with around $500 and built that up to around $700. A new guy sits down next to me and he buys $150 in chips off of me. Without thinking I make a motion to put the money in my wallet and the whole table freaks out. They told me I needed to keep the cash on the table. I should have asked the dealer for the actual ruling on this but I didn't. I just kept the cash on the table and then asked them why I had to, it's a limit game. I could have bought in for a million if I wanted, or I could get away with $240.

At the tables online I notice the rebuy option, but the the cashout a portion of your stack option, so I assume there really is a rule about this. Why?

ckmo · #2 11-12-2005, 07:13 PM

there is indeed a rule about this. I believe its commonly referred to as table stakes. Basically what you sit with is what you play with. You can add to your stack between hands but you can't take any money off the table until you are done.

If you buy in for the minimum at a table for example and immediately win. So lets say you buy in a 10/20 game for 100 and pick a pot off and you're up to 200. It would be unfair to everybody else at the table if you removed the 100 since it would leave you only 100 to lose instead of the 200. Its probably easier to understand in a no-limit situation then a limit situation but it is still applicable to both. Hope that helps....

#3 11-12-2005, 07:37 PM

When you take money off the table, especially in NL, but also in aggressive limit games, you give yourself an opportunity to go all in shortstacked with the chance to double/triple up without a big risk. Then, when you miss, you rebuy for the money ou pulled off the table.

AlexHoops · #4 11-12-2005, 08:43 PM

But if I have atleast 12 bets on the table I don't see how that matters

cardcounter0 · #5 11-12-2005, 08:48 PM

And when you get snapped with a monster and lose your 12 bets, then what? You go all in on the next hand?

It was explained to you, it is a rule, it is called "table stakes". If you don't understand, then continue to attempt to take money off the table and risk getting kicked in the nuts.
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andyfox · #6 11-12-2005, 08:50 PM

What about next hand?

Without the rule, a player could, when it's his blind, take everything off the table except the amount of the blind. He could then get to the river for the price of the blind, never having to fold. Then, when it's his button, he could put the money back on the table. Only have a large stack with good position, have a small stack with poor position.

Every B&M cardroon has the same rule. Anything on the table stays there until you leave the game.

AlexHoops · #7 11-12-2005, 09:51 PM

Thanks Andy, that makes sense. Cardcounter, I don't understand your argument.

ckmo · #8 11-12-2005, 10:14 PM

most places I've played at have no cap heads up. If you were able to constantly keep only 12 bets on the table there could still be a situation that normally you would be willing to put in over 12 bets but since you keep your stack at 12 bets you would essentially be 'cheating' for lack of a better word the other player out of the extra bets since you normally would keep throwing your money in if you thought your hand was good.