Advice to people stuck @ the small stakes too long

[AlexHoops]

I've got this cycle that I've become accustomed to. Start with 1800,build it up to 3000 at 3/6 full, jump to 5/10 and drop down to 2000. Go back to 3/6 full, grind it up to 3500, jump to 5/10 shorthanded (3/6 shorthanded would have been the more informed choice) and drop back down to 1800. I currently have 2960, approaching the 300bb point for 5/10...

My winrate at 3/6 full is 2.9bb/hand for over 20k hands. I feel that I am outplaying my opponents at 3/6 but with every hand that I won today I felt myself getting closer and closer to starting this cycle over.

Perhaps I will take your advice and play some 3/6 shorthanded when I reach $3000.

Alex, you might consider going from $3/6 full ring to $2/4 6max (if you play where they have $2/4 6max).

The skill level needed to beat 6max seems to be equivalent to one level higher than that needed to beat full ring.

[brettbrettr]

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5/10 scares me. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

-d

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too many things scare you, imo.

[me454555]

1st of all, beating 6 max isn't THAT tough but you've gotta give yourself a fighting chance. The biggest mistake I see most of the new players make is that they understimate variance. 300 bbs is plenty to play full ring but in 6 max, 300bbs is NOTHING. You can go on 100 bb swings in 1k hands easily and 200bb swings are somewhat common as well. If I were to attack a 6max game, I'd want a minimum of 500 bbs and prolly more like 750 so I could lose 250 w/out sweating it.

Actually, the reason I moved back to full ring is b/c I was unhappy w/my win rate at 6max although it was better than 1bb/100 and wanted to take a little break. Its a very stressful game, you either feast or famine and its something that takes getting used to. For the record, I think full ring is more profitable b/c the rake is about .5bbs/100 hands less but the skills you learn in SH will help immensely at full ring. Its something worth learning and something that can significantly help out your game if you are stuck below 15/30.

[TheHammer24]

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I've got this cycle that I've become accustomed to. Start with 1800,build it up to 3000 at 3/6 full, jump to 5/10 and drop down to 2000. Go back to 3/6 full, grind it up to 3500, jump to 5/10 shorthanded (3/6 shorthanded would have been the more informed choice) and drop back down to 1800. I currently have 2960, approaching the 300bb point for 5/10...

My winrate at 3/6 full is 2.9bb/hand for over 20k hands. I feel that I am outplaying my opponents at 3/6 but with every hand that I won today I felt myself getting closer and closer to starting this cycle over.

Perhaps I will take your advice and play some 3/6 shorthanded when I reach $3000.

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This is why I stay at 2/4 Full. I'm winning at 3BB/100, all shots at the higher limits have failed so far, and I would still have to be a 1.5/100 winrate at 3/6 for it to be more profitable. 2/4 is just more profitable for me, I don't really have any ambitions to move up to 30/60, I'm content with making $30 an hour at 2/4

[me454555]

1.5 bbs/100 @ 3/6 is NOT hard at all. I'm running aroudn 2.5 bbs/100 and I know people running at much more. Its not about dreams of playing 30/60, its just about getting better at poker

[lighterjobs]

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I think the main reason I don't play shorthanded is because I got crushed playing 2/4 6max (-250 bb's in a little over a week, my entire bankroll). this was when I was much less experienced and playing with a short roll so I might give it another shot one of these days, but I'm running pretty well right now to change it up. maybe when I'm starting to get below 1bb/100.

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you went straight to 2/4 6max with just 250BB and didn't stop till it was all gone?? couple really dumb choices there

1/2 6max is super soft, .5/1 6max is also soft as hell .. both would have made a better starting point for 6max(especially when you weren't rolled for 2/4 full in the first place)

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yeah i made a lot of stupid choices when i started playing cards. i moved down to 1/2 full when i got to 100 bb's. i think playing 6max just intimidates me now.

[Alex/Mugaaz]

I just don't make a big deal about moving up. I will always play the best game going unless I have less than 100bbs for that game(The games I usually end up playing put me at around 350bb). If there are no good games going I have no problem playing 2/4 if need be. I started at 2c/4c and moved up whenever I had enough and the games are good. I think the big mistake is people here "take shots" which more or less means they win some money and go sit in a higher game, regardless of how good it is. I can't think of a better way to lose. Seriouly, what do the stakes matter? The #1 criteria is how good the game is. My winrate in the games I sit in is almost always higher than normal WRs. Since I only play in good games it allows me to play on a little shorter br, and if it goes south I don't have problems with tilt and dropping to the lower game doesn't bother me. Also I'm a giant luckbox and that helps a lot, but I'm sure a part of that is that I always play in good games on some sort of bonus which gives me the highest WR possible at all times.

[Moozh]

I've played against you quite a bit at 3/6 short. You're a very solid winning player. You should know this too. Push yourself to try and move up. You can beat the games and you're only costing yourself money by not trying.

Would you recommend lowering limits starting out?