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Old 12-18-2005, 09:56 PM
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Default Newbie turning coward?

So I'm at the "I've been going too far with my hands -> I'm folding to any sign of danger " phase in my learning hold'em cycle.

How would you have played the following hands?

I just joined the game, all the other players are complete strangers.

Hand1:
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Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">7 folds</font>, UTG calls.

Flop: (5.50 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 5.75 BB

Hand 2:
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Preflop: Hero is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, Button calls, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: (7 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 bets</font>, Button calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG+2 folds, Button calls.

Turn: (6 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 7 BB
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Old 12-18-2005, 09:58 PM
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Default Re: Newbie turning coward?

hand 1- looks good

hand 2 you beat a flush there partner
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Old 12-18-2005, 09:58 PM
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Default Re: Newbie turning coward?

Hand 1: Call down, or bet river if checked to ui.

Hand 2: Flop good, then either bet/3bet turn or check/raise/cap.
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Old 12-18-2005, 10:01 PM
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Default Re: Newbie turning coward?

Hand 1- Read? Would donk a 7? Prolly not, so nh. But a significant amount of players will, and you'll have cost yourself $$ if you don't know that for this kind of hand. Reads are good!

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hand 2 you beat a flush there partner

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Old 12-18-2005, 10:35 PM
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Hand 1) Seeing as you had no reads, I think this is a reasonable fold.
Hand 2) Everytime you fold in this situation, god kills a kitten. Please tell us it was a mis-click...
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Old 12-18-2005, 10:43 PM
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Default Re: Newbie turning coward?

did you notice that there was an 8 on the flop and that the turn paired the board?

when you have three of one card and two of another, it is called a full house. chance are when you get one, you'll when with it.
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Old 12-18-2005, 10:44 PM
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Default Re: Newbie turning coward?

I call down in Hand 1.

I'm not sure what just happened in hand 2 or if I'm even reading the board right but I think you just check/folded a full house? Bet/3-bet the turn.
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Old 12-18-2005, 11:45 PM
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Default Re: Newbie turning coward?

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Hand1:
Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">7 folds</font>, UTG calls.

Flop: (5.50 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 5.75 BB

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At the beginning of a seesion I might raise/fold this just to make sure he's not screwing around with second pair. Probably 8:1 to fold this.

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Hand 2:
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Preflop: Hero is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, Button calls, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: (7 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 bets</font>, Button calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG+2 folds, Button calls.

Turn: (6 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 7 BB

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This is a typo? You folded the 5th nuts?
If he had AA he 3-bets the flop because of the two-flush and the likelyhood that you have a big hand worthy of capping. Same with JJ.

The only hands you can lose to here are AA, JJ and AJ. I cap the turn and bet/call the river.
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Old 12-19-2005, 12:51 AM
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Default Re: Newbie turning coward - pasted the wrong hand :-)

Not only do I suck on poker, I suck on Copy&amp;Paste :-)
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Old 12-19-2005, 02:28 AM
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Default Re: Newbie turning coward?

Hand 1---turn fold is very bad, why would you raise preflop,raise the flop and fold the turn with your hand?

Hand 2---THis one is tricky, however you have to call it down.
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