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QTip · #1 12-09-2005, 12:44 PM

Am I nuts for wanting to fold this?

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (14 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (7 players)
SB bets, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero ?

pauliewalnuts · #2 12-09-2005, 12:52 PM

I certainly wouldnt let this go yet. It is unlikely you are looking at a made straight already. SB probably has 86 or something along those lines, whereas the other two may have clubs or a lone 4 or 8. I'd call here and pop a good turn. If a bad card comes and there is a bet and a call I think you are safe folding.

damaniac · #3 12-09-2005, 12:56 PM

I don't think you are nuts, but you have to have enough equity to continue. I think a reasonable chance you are behind a straight/two pair/set now, but most likely not. Bad cards on the turn...3,4,8,9,A, [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], which is like 24 cards or something. I'd at least call and see what comes off on the turn.

krimson · #4 12-09-2005, 12:57 PM

I think your somewhat right QTip. This hand is screaming of reverse implied odds.

The pot is big though, I think you could peel this flop and then continue (raise) on a safe turn?

Grifter · #5 12-09-2005, 12:58 PM

What is a good turn in this situation? Any overcard, club, 8, 9, or 4 is going to be scary. that's like, 30 cards. Also, there are three people behind hero, and hero cannot protect against any draw. I am really not sure what the right play is here, but seeing the turn against 6 people is really dangerous.

damaniac · #6 12-09-2005, 01:00 PM

Ooo yeah forgot about all those people behind hero. Folding looks much better now.

thejameser · #7 12-09-2005, 01:01 PM

Qtip,

What would Nate do?

pauliewalnuts · #8 12-09-2005, 01:10 PM

I also missed all of the people behind. Now I definitely dont think you are crazy since it seems like a raise or fold situation. I really dont like any of my options. I dont like you'd be losing much, if anything by folding here.

#9 12-09-2005, 01:15 PM

You really aren't ging to get anybody to fold by raising so its probably better to call and wait for a safe turn to raise to protect your hand.

EDIT: Actually there are 3 more to act . . . and with so many callers they are going to be correct to raise any draw. I would fold this hand.

crunchy1 · #10 12-09-2005, 01:24 PM

If you've been running anything like I've been running at the 2/4 game over the last few weeks - I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND!

but - I still don't fold. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]