Where do you give up? Blind wars at 20/40.

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Folding here as SOP seems highly exploitable and -EV. I think you have to call down a good % of the time.

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id cap preflop but i would just peel this flop. 7:1 plus implied odds is enough to peel 6 outs that probably arent tainted with metagame considerations.. he may also check the turn giving you another card to look at.

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Folding here as SOP seems highly exploitable and -EV.

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It's only highly exploitable and -EV if you have KQ every time there's a J42 flop OOP against this guy. Next time you won't have KQ and he'll get punished.

C'mon guys...this metagame thing is soooooo over-rated.

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It's only highly exploitable and -EV if you have KQ every time there's a J42 flop OOP against this guy.

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It's a showdownable hand and pretty close to near even money. I think you should be willing to showdown hands like these vs the right crew. My remarks were not directed to Meta, and I agree that sometimes we focus too much on Meta and we get tired of hearing about it. However, I think Meta is mos def a consideration when discussing BLIND WARS.

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yeah I dont really like folding a decent showdownable hand in these situations. Your effective odds basically put a call down at breakeven if u win 28-29 percent. With such a wide range, with odds of improvement...I think there is merit calling down more than some deem nessasary.

This also depends on opponent, obviously. If they are willing to fire all 3 bullets, or contiunation bet only to the turn...if they are willing to fold, what have I seen them do...etc. These situations are delicate.

On a side note. This situation came up pretty often today and a majority of the time my K or A-high was enough to win it (even Q-high)...but I almost always had the best hand, unfortunattly they caught their rivered six outers frequently.

The hand is showdownable against LAGgier types, I'll agree. But marginally showdownable. Calling down every single time, even against this guy, will cost money and be -EV. IMO, shania can't turn the (-) into a (+) here.

We may be close to even money in theory, but don't forget, this guy gets to choose when to put the bets in while we're OOP. Although we may be a coin toss from here on out, ANY discretion that this guy uses behind us will pull us further away from 50/50.

The correct application of metagame & positive EV here is to showdown UI some of the time. Doing it every time is a guaranteed loss.