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Old 11-28-2005, 05:00 PM
KowCiller KowCiller is offline
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Default 200NL River decision with a set

So I've been trying to work on my river play especially trying to work multi-purpose bets, such as block/value or bluff/value bets in certain situations.

Villain is something like 18/4, TAG with weak-tight tendencies. He's a multi-tabler and probably a winner in this game.

Party Poker $200 NL

Hero ($200)
Villain ($280)

I limp UTG with 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. 3 folds, MP limps, fold, Villain limps in the CO, folds to BB who checks.

Flop ($9) 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Hero bets $8, MP folds, Villain calls.

Turn ($25) 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Hero bets $19, Villain calls.

River ($63) T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Hero bets $25, Villain ...

All comments appreciated.

KoW
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Old 11-28-2005, 05:08 PM
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Default Re: 200NL River decision with a set

It would be nice to know what villian does...

I like leading all 3 streets on a board like this w/ no resistence, id bet slightly higher than 30 on the river
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Old 11-28-2005, 05:11 PM
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Default Re: 200NL River decision with a set

I like the $25 bet just fine, if he rasises you you have to fold.
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Old 11-28-2005, 05:14 PM
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Default Re: 200NL River decision with a set

If villain had an OESD on the flop then you are dead in the water, so the blocker looks fine. I assume your plan is to fold if pushed?
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Old 11-28-2005, 05:21 PM
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Default Re: 200NL River decision with a set

I would bet that he has got a 9. I think you have to consider a c/f here for the simple fact that [ QUOTE ]
Villain is something like 18/4 . . . multi-tabler

[/ QUOTE ] and he is not going to bet this river unless you are beat. What range do you have him on here? The only hands in my range that don't have a 5 or a 9 in them are 66/88 (which will check behind on this river) Only realisic hand you are beating that might call that block is 66.
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Old 11-28-2005, 05:23 PM
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Default Re: 200NL River decision with a set

I like the river bet just fine.
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Old 11-28-2005, 05:24 PM
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Default Re: 200NL River decision with a set

[ QUOTE ]
It would be nice to know what villian does...

I like leading all 3 streets on a board like this w/ no resistence, id bet slightly higher than 30 on the river

[/ QUOTE ]

I didn't want to bias any results by stating villain's action or results.

4_2, the plan was fold if raised.

What do you all think about a check-call a river bet instead of leading? It's a pretty scary board that might induce a bet from busted flush or weird top pair?

Do you think villain's calling range is as wide or wider than his bluffing range?

The purpose of the bet at the time was to slow down hands that have me beat (5, 88) and get value out of hands I beat (some weird 2pair or smaller set? but would they raise an earlier street?)

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Old 11-28-2005, 05:28 PM
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Default Re: 200NL River decision with a set

Hoopster,

Thanks for the reply. Yes I think c/f has to at least be considered here. I did consider it, but villain is on the button and while 18 VPIP is tight, it's not set-miner range. I'm wondering if there might be a few flush draws he would bet if checked to or use the scary board against my UTG limp. He has shown signs of weak-tightiness though.

I'm know there's not "right" or "wrong" answer here, just wanted to spur some discussion.

KoW
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Old 11-28-2005, 05:29 PM
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Default Re: 200NL River decision with a set

If he is as weak-tight as you said in OP, then dont check since he wont be betting a missed flush or a TP type hand anyway but will be likely to call
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Old 11-28-2005, 05:32 PM
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Default Re: 200NL River decision with a set

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but villain is on the button and while 18 VPIP is tight, it's not set-miner range.

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I do not think the set is very likely here. His stats are similar to mine, so all I can tell you is what hands I would play like this, and they all contain either a 5 or a 9.
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