Official Predestination and Calvinism Post

[sexdrugsmoney]

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Ok lets just say that there aren't many of them. But however heres one.

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Aspiring grinder

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from your profile this just rings an evil bell in my brain.

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What's wrong with being a grinder?

Cheers,
SDM

[spaminator101]

I don't know it just sounds extremely sexually related to me. I really don't care and your probably implying something else anyway.

[David Sklansky]

You needed to read "aspiring ginder" to realize this? What about his NAME?

[spaminator101]

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What about his NAME?

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that might have had something to do with it.

[BluffTHIS!]

Spaminator I have a question for you. If someone believes that they are a bad person and thus someone who is "predestined" to perdition, that is had no free choice to accept the call of the gospel and thus will be damned anyway, would there be any obligation for them to follow the commandments or might they just as well eat, drink and be merry?

[spaminator101]

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If someone believes that they are a bad person and thus someone who is "predestined" to perdition

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We are all bad people. We are all totaly derpaved.

If you weren't saved there would be no reason to follow the commandments. However if you knew that Christianity was true as you imply this particular person was then I don't see how they could not come to Christ. I don't see how God would let someone know that Christianity was true without beleiving in Him. That would just be irrational.

[David Sklansky]

Poor BluffThis. Has to know how to be a world class tightrope walker.

[BluffTHIS!]

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I don't see how God would let someone know that Christianity was true without beleiving in Him. That would just be irrational.

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Then why would God create someone in the first place with no intention of revealing the truth to them, or providing an alternate path of salvation such as adherence to the natural law? To do so, that is create someone for the sole purpose of damning them, is what does not seem rational.

To bring up my favorite hypothetical example, all the inhabitants of places that no Christian ever visited until like the 1600s in the remote inner regions of New Guinea, or the American Indians prior at least to early Norse visits, those people were just screwed weren't they? That is, since they had no possibility of hearing the gospel and being saved, they were created soley to be damned isn't that right? And you can't even argue that they serve as an example of God's plan to the saved, since Christians never met them.

[BluffTHIS!]

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Poor BluffThis. Has to know how to be a world class tightrope walker.

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Since I now play only no limit holdem and pot limit omaha that has been a very necessary skill to acquire. But spiritually, I am constantly thankful to God that he provides a safety net below as long as I am willing to repent and begin again.

[spaminator101]

Wow, you do have a point. I don't have very much experience witha arguing considering i'm only in 8th grade so im gonna need some help from them 2.