Probably simple, not sure...

SL__72 · #1 07-19-2005, 12:26 AM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (8 handed) converter

Button (t13118)
Hero (t9250)
BB (t26064)
UTG (t3235)
UTG+1 (t7907)
MP1 (t9711)
MP2 (t5835)
CO (t19178)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 calls t200, 3 folds, Hero completes, BB raises to t400, MP1 calls t200, Hero calls t200.

Flop: (t1200) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)

I?

Hero bets t1200, BB raises to t25664, MP1 folds, I?

LethalRose · #2 07-19-2005, 12:27 AM

push

ChewyMint · #3 07-19-2005, 12:30 AM

Call. I wouldn't doubt that your hand is best right now, given how the hand went down. If it's not, you've got 9 outs to a winner. What stage of the tournament is this? In these tournaments online, I always play to win, and doubling through here would go a long way towards doing so. What is the avg. stack? Some more information on where you are in the tournament would be helpful. But not knowing one way or the other, I would say call.

ChewyMint

SL__72 · #4 07-19-2005, 12:35 AM

bout 300 out of 900 left, I'm at about the average.

SL__72 · #5 07-19-2005, 01:07 AM

Later same tourney. Avg around 11k, 167 left, 120 something payed.

Same villain as last post.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t600 (9 handed) converter

Button (t46043)
Hero (t11730)
BB (t19674)
UTG (t9550)
UTG+1 (t5910)
MP1 (t3960)
MP2 (t8798)
MP3 (t10046)
CO (t39821)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
7 folds, Hero raises to t1200, BB calls t600.

Flop: (t2200) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

I?

Hero bets t3000, BB raises to t18424

I?

LethalRose · #6 07-19-2005, 01:10 AM

horrible minraise

fold the flop

SixgunSam · #7 07-19-2005, 01:20 AM

I would get all my money in without hesitation. If he has an overpair without a heart, you're still a slight favorite on the flop. Anytime I can catch a pair and a big flush draw, I'm playing that hand strongly.

SixgunSam · #8 07-19-2005, 02:49 AM

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Later same tourney. Avg around 11k, 167 left, 120 something payed.

Same villain as last post.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t600 (9 handed) converter

Button (t46043)
Hero (t11730)
BB (t19674)
UTG (t9550)
UTG+1 (t5910)
MP1 (t3960)
MP2 (t8798)
MP3 (t10046)
CO (t39821)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
7 folds, Hero raises to t1200, BB calls t600.

Flop: (t2200) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

I?

Hero bets t3000, BB raises to t18424

I?

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You don't need to analyze the play after he bet. The plays in question are the bad ones you made before you got to this decision.

Why even get cute and mini-raise with a poor hand like T7us against a stack that can break you? I would either walk it to the BB or complete and hope he lets me see a flop. Blind vs. Blind is important, but sometimes it pays to not mix it up with the big stack. In this hand, you're going to be out of position and likely facing overcards if you manage to catch a pair on the flop. Also, I think your bet on the flop is too big. A bet of 40-50% the pot is big enough to let you know where you stand and it gives you room to maneuver. It also gives someone with a straight draw incorrect odds to call. Take a minute and analyze what you've done up to this point: You've raised 10% of your stack on cards that you should probably throw away and you're doing it against an aggressive player with a larger chip stack out of position. On the flop, you risk nearly 1/3 of what you have left with second pair and no information on what your opponent potentially has. No offense, but you dug your own grave on this hand.

If I was playing this hand, it would probably go like this from start to finish:

PF: complete, if I'm raised I muck.
Flop: bet half the pot, if I'm called I put him on a drawing hand or maybe middle or lower pair and I crank up the pressure from there on out, but still not trying to play a huge pot. If he makes a strong play back at me on the turn or river, then I would think I was up against something pretty big and probably give it up if I hadnt improved. If I am re-raised after my bet on the flop and it's a player who I think would likely make that play with no hand, then I would re-raise him back. If he was still in the hand after that, I would be pretty certain I had the worst hand and I would give it up unless I caught something to improve my hand on 4th or 5th street.

The way you've played it, 40% of your stack is in the pot and you don't even really know what your opponent might have.

ChipLeader · #9 07-19-2005, 02:54 AM

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Call. I wouldn't doubt that your hand is best right now, given how the hand went down. If it's not, you've got 9 outs to a winner. What stage of the tournament is this? In these tournaments online, I always play to win, and doubling through here would go a long way towards doing so. What is the avg. stack? Some more information on where you are in the tournament would be helpful. But not knowing one way or the other, I would say call.

ChewyMint

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Umm, im gonna agree and disagree at the same time.

I agree in calling the all in, but not because he has 9 outs, but rather because he most likely has 14 outs and may be ahead without them. If he had Rag-Rag two hearts, thus giving him only 9 outs, he should fold.

SL__72 · #10 07-19-2005, 12:47 PM

In that first hand he had 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Does that change how I should have played the second hand?