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Old 06-12-2005, 04:27 PM
shutupndeal shutupndeal is offline
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Default Poker School, .... I just failed!

I was moping around after a qwik losing game that I got out of and have been playin a lot in the last 16 hours so I took time to read my mail and whatever...I have an account on Pacific Poker and I somehow seen the "Poker School" section and took a look at it and it was talking about position and it said that in early position NOT to play the following hands............

Pir of 9's, QK suited AQo

Ok, I can understand the AQo BUT I dont mind it if theres no raise behind me and its a good hand to catch people sleeping on even tho anyone with half a brain better know that I am strong if I limped in early.

The 9's I am playing and while I dontlove em I am prob gonna play em everytime I get in a ring game for 1 bet.

The QKs is that toughest hand for me to understand here, yes its not a killer but it is a Sklansky level 2 hand no?, and being suited it can be a giant if you flop anything close to it no? Especially in those games where 5-6 guys are calling the flop in the lower limits........ so again I am playing it and prob even calling 1 raise BUT I dont love it for 2 bets of course but does anyone think it shouldnt be played for 1 bet in early position?
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Old 06-12-2005, 05:04 PM
Dazarath Dazarath is offline
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Default Re: Poker School, .... I just failed!

There have been multiple threads on the subject of AJo and KQo UTG, and people on this forum advocate raising both. Obviously, if you're raising AJo, then you should be raising AQo, and if you're raising KQo, then KQs as well. It seems that a lot of people on this forum also raise 77+ UTG, so that includes 99, of course.
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Old 06-12-2005, 11:46 PM
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Default Re: Poker School, .... I just failed!

Sounds like only fish go to this school.

FWIW, it's probably aimed at inexperienced players and teaching them to play super tight is probably good, cuz they probably play way to loose.
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Old 06-13-2005, 12:33 AM
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Default Re: Poker School, .... I just failed!

Give me an "F"

I'm raising all 3.
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Old 06-13-2005, 01:57 AM
AlwaysWrong AlwaysWrong is offline
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Default Re: Poker School, .... I just failed!

The people at Pacific Poker barely even comprehend the RULES of texas hold'em; why would you expect their advice to be anything but junk?
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Old 06-13-2005, 02:19 AM
DcifrThs DcifrThs is offline
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Default Re: Poker School, .... I just failed!

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The people at Pacific Poker barely even comprehend the RULES of texas hold'em; why would you expect their advice to be anything but junk?

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dude, these sights make a LOT of money from breakeven/slightly losing/slightly winning and very good players. if it takes a losing player to the tune of -2bb/100 and gets him/her to stop spewing money at that rate, and gets down to breakeven following pacific poker's advice, then PP just earned itself a good deal in expected player contribution. their advice is not designed to take a breakeven player and make them a very good winning one...its designed to the masses whom it stands to earn a good deal more off of if they dont go broke.

either that or they really are trying to write good advice but sucking masterfully at it.

-Barron
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Old 06-13-2005, 05:14 AM
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Default Re: Poker School, .... I just failed!

I was just wondering if you raise with 99, QKs and AJo UTG and say get three flat callers.. what do you do when you miss the flop, your first to act. Lets take the 99's for example

UTG you raise with 99, three flat callers,
Flop J74

What now?
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Old 06-13-2005, 06:35 AM
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Default Re: Poker School, .... I just failed!

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I was just wondering if you raise with 99, QKs and AJo UTG and say get three flat callers.. what do you do when you miss the flop, your first to act. Lets take the 99's for example

UTG you raise with 99, three flat callers,
Flop J74

What now?

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bet...
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Old 06-13-2005, 11:48 AM
Leptyne Leptyne is offline
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Default Re: Poker School, .... I just failed!

That's a good question. The basic starting hand requirements that I started with recommended limping with these three hands. The reason given was these hands become more difficult to play if you raise with them. As your skill level increases naturally your ability to play more hands and raise with more hands increases. So that may be good advice for entry level. As your expertise increases you can raise UTG with any cards you're comfortable with. If you don't know what to do when you raise UTG with 99 and the board flops rags then you might not want to go there.
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Old 06-13-2005, 11:53 AM
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Default I\'ll join you in the dunce corner, let me wear the pointed hat.

I raise PF with those 3 hands UTG every time, in every game I play in, no matter how many people are playing, no matter who the competition is.

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