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Old 08-08-2005, 06:17 PM
blackaces13 blackaces13 is offline
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Default JJ with a Q high flop...

Bodog SNG transcribed by hand:

Blinds 10/20 (8 handed)
My stack: 940
CO stack: 1375

My hand: J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] on the button

PREFLOP: 4 limps, I raise to 140, folded to MP who calls, CO calls

FLOP: 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (T 490) 3 players
MP checks, CO checks, I bet 250, MP folds, CO goes all in and has me covered.

550 for me to call and the pot is 990. If I lose I'm out. What's my play?
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Old 08-08-2005, 06:30 PM
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Default Re: JJ with a Q high flop...

Hmmm...the only unmade hands that I tend to see check raised all-in are flush draws and straight draws. There is no flush draw here, and I doubt villain called PFR raise with the ultra low cards that have the OESD. So I'm pretty sure you're beat. Maybe by top pair, but some two-pair/set seems more likely given how sneaky he was about betting it. I fold.

In any case, I think you made a shaky move preflop. After 4-limpers I don't think raising accomplishes much. Sure you're in position, but raising with jacks will

1) get you involved in a multiway pot (which you like, IFF you can get in cheaply and play your JJ for set/overpair value which they usually miss)

2) get you involved in an aggressively contested HU pot, and you'll likely have to make a tough decision for all your chips with overcards on the board.

So I vote no raise. Definately go at it with fewer limpers or later in the game when the blinds are more substantial, but early and multiway, I don't like it.
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Old 08-08-2005, 06:58 PM
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Default Re: JJ with a Q high flop...

So you flat call with Jacks on the button after a bunch of loose limpers? I can't agree with this but I'm generally a limit ring game player.

Does anyone else have a problem with the preflop raise?
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Old 08-08-2005, 07:03 PM
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Default Re: JJ with a Q high flop...

Standard trouble with JJ hand. The flop continuation bet is standard, and it's an easy fold to the all-in.

Preflop: different styles. I usually limp with JJ in earlier levels (even in late position), but a raise is absolutely fine. We've had this argument before about JJ, but raising is okay.
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Old 08-08-2005, 07:24 PM
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Default Re: JJ with a Q high flop...

You have to decide whether your hand is good here on the flop. T450 in the middle, you've got t800 behind. Push or check, and I think pushing is right.

I also don't like the raise preflop, but I may be wrong.
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