ONLINE POKER IS 100% RIGGED

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First of all - don't start picking on my spelling and grammar errors - english is only my 3d language,certainly not a mother tongue for me...

I was amazed to see how many ppl defend the mighty online poker rooms,just by saying "Why would they risk their reputation?".

Explain,how come the same story happens to everyone - i also won in my 1st 2 weeks - went up from 25$ to 450$,got excellent hands,was winning and so on,.
Begginers luck?
Or am i just a poor fish,who was led to believe he is good?
So,over the last few days,i lost 200@ bucks with some of the most amazing beats i ever saw (i played 6000 hands on this site - VC poker,ok,it's not that much,but still it's something) and all of a sudden,those things started to happen in chains.

First - i have qq.
Guy behind me bets,i raise,he calls.
Everybody fold.
The flop is q99.
I made a full house.
I raise,he raises me,i go all in,he calls.
We reveal the cards,he has 66,only one small pair!!!
Why whould he raise and reraise me with this crap??
I smile,expecting the easy money.
Ok,have you guessed the turn and the river?
That's right,it's 66.

Few hands from now.
I get 10 10,i bet,2 more ppl call.
I get a flop of 2 5 10 unsuited.
I bet,one folds,the other reraises me.
I go all in,he calls,we reveal the cards.
What does he have?
A goddamn jk.
Why,why on earth you call an all in with this amazing crap???
Do you know the cards?
Of course - it's q and a and he makes the straight.

And more freakish,bad beats,like higher flushes,higher full houses,KK gets beat by 22, and so on.
So,a week ago,i was a pro,making money and pumping my balance and suddenly i am fish,surrenderring to ridiculous calls and improbable beats hand after hand?

I thought,that this is only VC poker,so i started to look in google for poker site reviews,found this forum and this thread by accident.I've also found the reviews on this site
http://www.flopturnriver.com/
and was shocked to see,how many say that those sites are rigged,giving very solid examples...
Do you know,what are the odds of the same guy getting an aa in a row 3 times?
Or for the fact,that ace always comes on flop and miraculously,there are always at least to player,who have an ace something,so the pot goes up.
After another amazing beat,some guy that just beat said in a chat,that an 89 is a best card on this site,cause it catches a straight like 50% of the times and i am beginning to see,he's right.
How's that not rigged???

It's just smashed my hopes of ever becoming a poker pro.If it is no more than a slot machine,how can improve or at least win,which is,of corse is my ultimate goal?

I don't know,what to do,with the rest of my balance.
Continue loosing it to cheating site or cash out?
Tell me,all you pros,who constanly making money online,tell me about sites,where you do it.
And please,don't be a shills working for those sites.


We really need to spread the word about those sites,making them think twice,before rigging the games for rakes and posting shills to win our money!
I want to play online,i think,i can become a decent player,but i need to know,i am playing random shuffled cards and not some preprogrammed sequences for saps.

All i can say is this - sometimes the paranoid IS being watched.

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None of those hands actually happened. If they did you should post the real hand history and not your made up version of what happened. I am sure you will say that you can't get the hand history now. but if that really happened i am sure you would have saved it.

Lol.
Ye,i am lying.
What is my purpose,you ask?
To convince you all,that the sites are rigged?
Then,isn't THAT a conspirasy paranoidal thought?
I'll have the history,will find it and post it here for you...

[ianlippert]

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Something amazing happened today I noticed. I was playing at the $1+.10 Buy in (just for fun and maybe win $15 top price). And right when I was in 6th and with 12 players out of 50 remainning, I received an error message saying:

Due to technical problems your tournament has been cancelled. Your buy in has been refunded to you

I know this is only a $1 tourney, but what about all the other tourneys? The $10, $20, $50 and $100 Buy-Ins? What about all the players that got eliminated? Does the site get to keep their money without honoring the price pool?

Does anyone have an explanation here besides the fact that it is a mean to make extra $?

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This is the stupidest rigged theory i've ever heard. If sites did this on a regular basis, they would lose all their players. If this happened to me twice at one site I would never play tourneys there again.

You ppl make it sound like you get super suckouts every hand. If sites were actually doing this they would lose lots of ppl. There have to bee ppl that are winning and staying around. The whole idea of a casino is that they have a small edge over many random events. The main purpose of this is so that ppl dont lose their money too fast. If ppl lose their money really fast they wont come back. So if rigged sites go too far ppl will leave, and they lose there guaranteed millions. It has absolutely nothing to do with them getting caught or not. People like you are never coming back, thats money they are losing. People like you are posting to msg boards and scaring off potential customers. Sites are already losing business, why would they want to promote this trend for some extra short term profit.

Think about how many millions of hands get dealt a day online. Somebody some where is going to get a huge streak of suckouts. What are they going to do? They are going to come on the internet with their 'proof' of how the sites are rigged. If sites are rigged why are there so many ppl making a living from online poker. Its so stupid.

[Mike Cuneo]

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Before you lose your whole roll

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Why didn't you stop playing before you lost your whole roll then if it's so rigged? Besides, someone has to win. It's not like everyone just breaks even and the house eventually takes all the money via rake. People do win consistently.

Also, I had a bad beat recently when someone hit a 2 outer vs me in live play. Does this mean live play is rigged too? Remember, you see a lot more hands online than you do live.

[King_Striker]

[King_Striker]

[ianlippert]

Please post your hand number so we can actually check it out. Last time someone posted their 'amazing' hand, somebody else looked it up and found out the guy was lying. Even if this happened to you one hand, you make it sound like it happens to you all the time. Runner-runner happens in poker. The most you can lose is you buy-in, if you are properly bankrolled they would have to do it to you several times in a row for you to lose everything. I really doubt that happend. Please show me 5 runner-runners that happened to you in the space of a month.

Online casinos dont profit in the long term from this kind of action. Sure they take your tiny $500 bankroll, but you are never coming back. If they take it from you in small chunk they could easily take several thousand off of you over a couple of years.

If you really think its rigged stop playing, or play limit.

[AgentBishop]

You know this damn thread has caused me to do a few hours of searching online in regards to rigged online poker. I have come to the conclusion that I want my few hours back! after the first hour it was all VERY repetitive.

After finding several new forums, some of which are pretty cool, they all had the EXACT same conversations. i.e.

Fish:
Online poker is rigged! look at this hand (insert EXAMPLE hand here. one with no id or table number.) see that's ridiculous.

Rational Human Being:
It's not rigged!

Fish:
Yes it is, see!(insert example hand here) This just doesn't happen as much live!

RHB:
Of course not! You play WAY more hands online! No its not RIGGED! We have statistical proof. Thousands and thousands of hands analyzed by thousands of people just looking to find an online site cheating. They find no error in hand distribution.

Fish:
I don't want to hear what you are saying so I will ignore the "statistical evidence." I got this hand in my memory that says otherwise. They want my $500 bankroll! RIGGED!

RHB:
These companies are cash cows that make hundreds of MILLIONS of dollars a year on the rake. They wouldn't risk getting exposed, and you can bet their competition is looking, for your little 3 figure bank roll. Not to mention that if everyone loses so fast they will leave and the money will dry up from no players.

Fish:
Why would they stop at an indefinite 100 million a year when they can steal your money and make 150 million for a couple years! THEY ARE GREEDY THIEVES! Look at this hand (insert another made up example hand here) SEE! RIGGED!

RHB:
They have data from their random number generators that are test and analyzed by a reputable third party company. They analyze months and months of data from ALL tables as well as what is happening at the table now to verify it to be random an unbiased.

Fish:
You haven't proven anything to me. That third party company is a liar. Party paid them 10k dollars to risk their reputation. All I know is that I have short term results showing really bad beats. I swear I am a successful live player and got that conclusion by examining my short term results over and over again and multiplying it out to a 500k hand database. So you see it's RIGGED! Don't lose your whole roll in one table like I did!

RHB:
It's not rigged! We have given you hard data to prove it. We have given you reasons why it's illogical financially for them to do it. You won't listen to reason!

This is essentially the same argument on all other forums I visited in this monumental waste of time I could have been playing ONLINE! This is such -EV!! if the fish even knows what that means.

[AgentBishop]

I'll tell you what King Striker. If you want I'll let you use my pattern mapper. If you set it up right you should be able to predict if you are likely to get sucked out or not. This thread should help you out on everything you need. Pattern Mapper!

[jedi]

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Wow you make it so sound like the online pokerrooms are experts in business theories and 100% legitimate. No gambling business is legitimate. They rig occasionally to take in entire bankrolls of suckers they know will keep on playing. Why shouldn't they rig with all the new customers joinning in every day?

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You haven't answered this question yet: Why would they rig it when the cards themselves deal out enough bad beats on their own and generate enough action on their own?