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#5
05-12-2005, 03:21 PM
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Re: 3 part preflop quiz
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Call Call Call Anyone who says fold 55 here is not thinking about this right. [/ QUOTE ] This is exactly right. Think about it this way.... You limp A5s UTG and UTG+1 raises. Everyone else folds. I bet that you make this call everytime getting just 4:1. If you make that call, calling in this spot is a no brainer. Brad 
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#6
05-12-2005, 03:33 PM
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Re: 3 part preflop quiz
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[ QUOTE ] Call Call Call Anyone who says fold 55 here is not thinking about this right. [/ QUOTE ] This is exactly right. Think about it this way.... You limp A5s UTG and UTG+1 raises. Everyone else folds. I bet that you make this call everytime getting just 4:1. If you make that call, calling in this spot is a no brainer. Brad [/ QUOTE ] hey- i don't think that direct analogy is correct - because we're thinking about implied odds here when calling multiple bets. i know you already know this, but i'm just pointing it out for everyone else: If you have Axs in EP and limp and someone behind raises, and everyone folds, yes - you call getting 4:1. But when we are calling 2 more prelop in the original case, even though the immediate pot odds are, say 8:1, they are actually 16:2, which means if we are short on odds we have to make up double the number of SBs... (though i'm not saying we shouldn't call - in fact, i'm not sure why i'm posting this...)
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#8
05-12-2005, 03:49 PM
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Re: 3 part preflop quiz
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Call Call Call Anyone who says fold 55 here is not thinking about this right. [/ QUOTE ] This is exactly right. Think about it this way.... You limp A5s UTG and UTG+1 raises. Everyone else folds. I bet that you make this call everytime getting just 4:1. If you make that call, calling in this spot is a no brainer. Brad [/ QUOTE ] hey- i don't think that direct analogy is correct - because we're thinking about implied odds here when calling multiple bets. i know you already know this, but i'm just pointing it out for everyone else: If you have Axs in EP and limp and someone behind raises, and everyone folds, yes - you call getting 4:1. But when we are calling 2 more prelop in the original case, even though the immediate pot odds are, say 8:1, they are actually 16:2, which means if we are short on odds we have to make up double the number of SBs... (though i'm not saying we shouldn't call - in fact, i'm not sure why i'm posting this...) [/ QUOTE ] You're right that if we're short on odds pre-flop and have to call two bets here we have to make up more bets later. But IMO that is countered by the fact we have multiple opponents and thus more opportunity to get more bets in post-flop. Plus with the pretty good (perceived) odds we're getting post-flop, I don't think we have to make up much on later streets.
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#9
05-12-2005, 03:56 PM
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Re: 3 part preflop quiz
Yeah exactly, even if you are sure that someone has a big hand. Combatting aces with something like QJs isn't all that bad of a proposition since our equity will be high if we flop a big draw. The hands that you really need to avoid playing (even getting 8:1) are things like AJo. You have little chance of making a straight, can't flop a flush or flush draw and are almost surely dominated from all sides (your only hope is to make trip jacks).
Brad
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#10
05-12-2005, 04:34 PM
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Re: 3 part preflop quiz
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Call Call Call Anyone who says fold 55 here is not thinking about this right. [/ QUOTE ] This is exactly right. Think about it this way.... You limp A5s UTG and UTG+1 raises. Everyone else folds. I bet that you make this call everytime getting just 4:1. If you make that call, calling in this spot is a no brainer. Brad [/ QUOTE ] hey- i don't think that direct analogy is correct - because we're thinking about implied odds here when calling multiple bets. i know you already know this, but i'm just pointing it out for everyone else: If you have Axs in EP and limp and someone behind raises, and everyone folds, yes - you call getting 4:1. But when we are calling 2 more prelop in the original case, even though the immediate pot odds are, say 8:1, they are actually 16:2, which means if we are short on odds we have to make up double the number of SBs... (though i'm not saying we shouldn't call - in fact, i'm not sure why i'm posting this...) [/ QUOTE ] You're right that if we're short on odds pre-flop and have to call two bets here we have to make up more bets later. But IMO that is countered by the fact we have multiple opponents and thus more opportunity to get more bets in post-flop. Plus with the pretty good (perceived) odds we're getting post-flop, I don't think we have to make up much on later streets. [/ QUOTE ] yeah. in the case of the OP, we aren't short on odds, and you are correct that we have multiple opponents and a high likelyhood of making back a ton of bets (ie, getting lots of action if we hit). i was just being dogmatic and pointing out that when calling multiple bets preflop, we can't just always reduce our immediate pot odds and assume we are close enough if we are short since we need to account for double the bets...
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