*Official* Big Slick Thread - Page 2

Jman28 · #11 05-20-2005, 12:10 AM

I'm not trying to blind steal either.

Maybe this is a habit I should've dropped after leaving the 30+3s, but charging people as much as they will pay with inferior hands is +EV.

I find that I still get the occasional call, but maybe I need to adjust this. I'd like to hear some other thoughts.

adanthar · #12 05-20-2005, 12:11 AM

If you raise more than that PF, what are you going to do when the flop comes KQJ and your continuation bet that you have to make is 1/3 of your stack? (I don't mind this hand as is given the large-ish PF raise, but I'd bet the turn/fold to a CR and/or check the river, since giving him a free fourth club sucks.)

My default raise at the 100's has gone back down to 60 at level 1 and to 100/125 at level 2. I like smaller pots. It also helps me with hands like these (comments on the turn?)

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (10 handed) converter

CO (t1170)
Button (t815)
Hero (t940)
BB (t1145)
UTG (t1130)
UTG+1 (t945)
UTG+2 (t830)
MP1 (t915)
MP2 (t915)
MP3 (t1195)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls t30, 5 folds, CO calls t30, Button calls t30, Hero raises to t125, BB calls t95, UTG calls t95, CO folds, Button folds.

Flop: (t435) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks.

Turn: (t435) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets t125, UTG calls t125, Hero calls t125.

River: (t810) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks.

Final Pot: t810

Jman28 · #13 05-20-2005, 12:12 AM

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Overbet or nonoverbet, if he is going to call you chasing the flush, the villian is not getting odds either way. This way the pot is smaller if he hits his flush

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But it's also smaller if he misses, which will happen more often. I don't like your logic here.

Jman28 · #14 05-20-2005, 12:15 AM

Quick! Fix your title. This might get confusing. It's not too late.

Degen · #15 05-20-2005, 12:15 AM

whoaaaa

i can't recall ever raising AKo out of the SB in this large a field....and i definately wouldn't be calling that turn bet...though i know andathar is a real good player...can anybody justify these two for a donkey like myself?

Andre

Phoenix1010 · #16 05-20-2005, 12:20 AM

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I'm not trying to blind steal either.

Maybe this is a habit I should've dropped after leaving the 30+3s, but charging people as much as they will pay with inferior hands is +EV.

I find that I still get the occasional call, but maybe I need to adjust this. I'd like to hear some other thoughts.

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Although I've never played above 33, I get the feeling that raising to t90 preflop on level 1 is considered a bit of an overbet at that level. The main reasons for raising to t90+ at the 11s-33s are to extract value from the maniacs who will call huge raises with garbage, and to try to keep the pot shorthanded because they will not respect a raise of less than 90. I doubt either of those factors are the case at the 109s. I haven't watched too many higher level games though, perhaps someone else with more experience can give you a better answer.

Jman28 · #17 05-20-2005, 12:23 AM

I actually think the hand is fine.

I might raise a little more hoping to get heads up or steal the chips already in the pot. His odds on the turn call are crazy good. He has 3 nut outs and 9 outs which might win him the pot. Especially since nobody is showing strength.

gumpzilla · #18 05-20-2005, 12:28 AM

A twofer here:

Jman #1: I think the turn check is fine. Inducing a bet in your opponent seems like the only way you're reliably going to extract more chips when you're ahead with that board (maybe a big club calls you). I'm willing to take the chance that a club falls if he'll bet the river regardless. And yes, I think you have to call a river bet if you check the turn.

Adanthar #1 - I don't have a very good feel for this hand. I think I understand why you didn't, but I'd probably consider going ahead and making a normal continuation bet at that flop. What are people limping and calling your raise from the SB with, do you think? The hands that I think people are most likely to call with that they limped and call with are QJs, JTs, or T9s type hands, but I doubt you're seeing tons of people making that play. I'm up in the air about this.

The turn bet does look pretty weak, but I'm kind of surprised that the river got checked around following that. What was your plan if there was a river bet?

uphigh_downlow · #19 05-20-2005, 12:33 AM

Is this weak?

This hand has been bugging me since a couple of days. Wish I could locate the hand history. BUt this is the general picture

9 players. Level 2 (bb t30), Party 30+3

Hero is UTG+1 with 850 chips.

UTG calls
Hero (As Ks) bets t90
folds to CO who calls
SB raises to t285 (no real reads)
BB,UTG folds
Hero folds(with much pain)
CO folds.

The reason its bugging me, is that villian continued his raising spree and got busted soon after.

The reason I folded is that in the case he had AA or KK, I was pretty dead. And I did not want to reraise and be pot commited.

In case he had anything else, he would likely not pay me off if I hit(mebbe he wud in a few cases)
And if I missed, it is in most cases a fold on the flop for me.

So why should I pay even money, when most likely I can only see 3 cards where I'm just 33% to hit.

Its funny how a reraise can put you on the backfoot, even with a solid hand.

Feedback is appreciated.

Jman28 · #20 05-20-2005, 12:39 AM

I'll be honest. I don't remember this hand or what I was thinking. This is all guesswork.

I have a lot of concerns with this one. My continuation bet is a little weak. I'm not sure about the call, but he gave me such good odds.

I checked the turn because his min-raise signalled either weakness or real strength. After he checks the river, I assume he is weak, and bet small to induce a bluff, which didn't work.

Talk to me.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter

SB (t1000)
BB (t1000)
UTG (t1000)
UTG+1 (t1000)
UTG+2 (t1000)
Hero (t1000)
MP2 (t1000)
MP3 (t1000)
CO (t1000)
Button (t1000)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises to t85, 5 folds, BB calls t70.

Flop: (t180) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t80, BB raises to t160, Hero calls t80.

Turn: (t500) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: (t500) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t100, BB calls t100.

Final Pot: t700