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Old 05-19-2005, 11:42 PM
Jman28 Jman28 is offline
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Okay, here's the idea. I'm a little confused on playing AK and I'm sure many others are too. So, this thread will (hopefully) consist of multiple AK hands, and comments on them.

To post a new hand, re-title your post "(Your name) #(number)". For example, my third hand posted in this thread would be "Jman28 #3". Please post some of your thoughts with the hand, and then we can all critique the hands together.

Make sure that you reply to the correct post when giving your thoughts.

This may get really confusing, or it may evolve into a discussion on AK or maybe no one will respond.

Worth a shot though, right? I'll start it off below.
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Old 05-19-2005, 11:46 PM
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This is a $100+9 hand. I had no reads on the villian.

I'm most concerned with my turn check. I think that my river call is almost automatic after it. I always am afraid to get involved with a big pot when a 3-flush hits.

Comments on all streets welcome.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter

Hero (t1000)
MP2 (t905)
MP3 (t1210)
CO (t320)
Button (t865)
SB (t985)
BB (t985)
UTG (t1610)
UTG+1 (t1000)
UTG+2 (t1120)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t95</font>, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, BB calls t80.

Flop: (t200) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t150</font>, BB calls t150.

Turn: (t500) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: (t500) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333"> BB bets t270 </font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: t500
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Old 05-19-2005, 11:51 PM
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Default Re: Jman28 #1

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I'm most concerned with my turn check.

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Yep, that's the question. I bet that turn most of the time when I don't have a flush card in my hand. I would be more likely to check if I had one. Coming from a limit background, I have a strong aversion to not betting a scare card like this.

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I think that my river call is almost automatic after it.

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Definitely. If I check that turn, I pretty much plan on calling any bet.
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Old 05-20-2005, 12:05 AM
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I prefer an overbet on that flop. 375 or so. I do not want clubs in there.

Andre
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Old 05-20-2005, 12:10 AM
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I prefer an overbet on that flop. 375 or so. I do not want clubs in there.


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Overbet or nonoverbet, if he is going to call you chasing the flush, the villian is not getting odds either way. This way the pot is smaller if he hits his flush
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Old 05-20-2005, 12:12 AM
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Overbet or nonoverbet, if he is going to call you chasing the flush, the villian is not getting odds either way. This way the pot is smaller if he hits his flush


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But it's also smaller if he misses, which will happen more often. I don't like your logic here.
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Old 05-20-2005, 11:14 AM
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I think T95 is too big a raise with no limpers at Level 1. You are setting yourself up for difficulties later in the hand.

EDIT: Oops, wrong place this topic is already discussed in detail below.
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Old 05-20-2005, 12:41 PM
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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter

Hero (t1000)
MP2 (t905)
MP3 (t1210)
CO (t320)
Button (t865)
SB (t985)
BB (t985)
UTG (t1610)
UTG+1 (t1000)
UTG+2 (t1120)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t95</font>, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, BB calls t80.

Flop: (t200) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t150</font>, BB calls t150.

Turn: (t500) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: (t500) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333"> BB bets t270 </font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: t500

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With multiple hands in one thread, this is going to get very confusing, very fast.

I wouldn't raise quite so much pre-flop. Flop bet is fine. I would not recommend overbetting the flop.

I'm in the let's try to keep the pot small so that we can make appropirately sized bets without sucking up so much of our stack and make this bet look like our other (continuation, drawing, etc.) camp. Part of the reason for doing this is so our later non-TPTK bets look like TPTK and vice versa. If we overbet now and then bet 1/2 the pot later when on a draw, people will pick up on that. By making our flop bets similar in size, we disguise what the bets mean. We aren't giving the opponet correct odds to draw, we provide cover for disguising later bets and we keep the pot to a more reasonable size on the turn.

I'd bet the turn.
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Old 05-19-2005, 11:47 PM
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This is how you play an Ace and a King



Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter

SB (t985)
BB (t1000)
UTG (t1000)
UTG+1 (t985)
UTG+2 (t1040)
MP1 (t1000)
MP2 (t1025)
MP3 (t1000)
CO (t990)
Hero (t975)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls t15, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t50</font>, SB calls t40, BB calls t35, UTG+1 calls t35.

Flop: (t200) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t80</font>, SB folds, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises to t935 (All-In)</font>, Hero calls t845 (All-In).

Turn: (t2060) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

River: (t2060) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t2060
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Old 05-19-2005, 11:56 PM
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Default Re: Degen # 1

I know you aren't actually looking for advice here, but I would raise more preflop. Your opponents are giving up a lot by calling the larger raise, which they often will do.
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