Flopped Set Against Loose Passive

ncboiler · #1 09-12-2005, 10:56 PM

Just started playing 3/6 and its KICKING MY ASS. Villian is the button and is 55/6/1.3

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Preflop: Hero is SB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 4 folds, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, UTG+1 folds, Button calls, Hero calls.

Should have bet/check raised but I wanted to wait for safe card on the turn (stupid) or try to build a big pot on the turn.

Turn: (3.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, BB folds, Button calls.

Okay. Played flop bad but my idea is coming together.

River: (10.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero calls.

Had to call.

Final Pot: 14.50 BB

Any help here appreciated. Did I play this right? Should I have raised the river? Was slow playing flop a good idea? One of the best pieces of advice I've gotten on this thing is "Slow playing sucks"

Thanks in advance

zgall1 · #2 09-12-2005, 10:59 PM

I think you need to raise this river. You are ahead a lot of the time here because villain is not that passive from your stats.

ncboiler · #3 09-12-2005, 11:04 PM

Is 1.28 not passive? It's kind of middle of the road I guess. Because 3/6 is kicking my ass I expect the worse.

crego20 · #4 09-12-2005, 11:10 PM

1.28 is not passive when he is in 50% of all hands. He is ramming and jamming alot to get his AF that high with his VP$IP that high. Does that make sense to you?

ncboiler · #5 09-12-2005, 11:21 PM

No I'm sorry. Aggressiveness is (Bet% + raise%)/Call% and is not based on number of hands. Yes if someone plays a lot of hands you would expect them to do a lot of calling but I don't always see that being the case. I look at AF seperate from % hands played. I actually thought that people that play a large number of hands would have a higher AF just because of their nature.

TheHip41 · #6 09-12-2005, 11:25 PM

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No I'm sorry. Aggressiveness is (Bet% + raise%)/Call% and is not based on number of hands. Yes if someone plays a lot of hands you would expect them to do a lot of calling but I don't always see that being the case. I look at AF seperate from % hands played. I actually thought that people that play a large number of hands would have a higher AF just because of their nature.

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You are wrong. If you are in 50% of your hands, you have to be raising a lot of weaker draws to get your AF up to 1.5. If I see someone with a VP of 50, with a AF of 1.5, I usually just make it up to like 2 or 2.25 or so.

crego20 · #7 09-12-2005, 11:30 PM

You have the definition perfect.

Now think about what that means for a 55% VP$IP, he is flopping crap a lot. So a lot of folding/calling, and
very little raising/betting, vs a standard tag, who is
doing a lot of betting/raising and little calling.

Did that make it any clearer?

closer2313 · #8 09-12-2005, 11:02 PM

You really need to bet/3bet this flop and then lead the turn.

No one showed any aggression preflop. The flop is all low cards. Letting this get checked through is just leaving money on the table. I'm also 3 betting the river.

ncboiler · #9 09-12-2005, 11:07 PM

If they had shown aggression I would have lead out the flop for sure and hoped for a raise. I knew I played it wrong however as soon as I checked. I could have check raised but then given my hand away so I figured I woould go for a check raise on the turn. Like I said it worked out like I wanted it to but that doesn't mean it was the right play.

crego20 · #10 09-12-2005, 11:04 PM

Raise the flop but you know that.

I 3-bet the river and call a cap, what are you behind, set over set, A2, 67. I think Button has 2 pair or worse often enough here for the 3-bet to be right.