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#81
10-19-2005, 05:29 PM
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Re: \"Official\" ESPN Coverage of WSOP Main Event: 10/18
I like the way ToP put it, there are only 3 actions every time you get your hand.
Raising, Calling, and Folding A bet is simple a raise when the current bet is 0. A check is simple a call when the current bet is 0. 
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#82
10-19-2005, 05:38 PM
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Re: \"Official\" ESPN Coverage of WSOP Main Event: 10/18
It's a reasonable lay-down of course and it kinda tough to make.
But the guy was suddenly a chatter-box and was practically leaping out of his seat. And then he's all gung-ho about his $10k bet. His mannerisms were nothing short of ridiculous. The more and more he was saying stuff like "it'll cost you $10k to find out" when Phil asked if he had QQ the more it became obvious to Phil that this guy likely had the good. Remember, when that Q came on the turn (they had both checked the flop) to make the board ATTQ Phil was now behind a wider range of hands including KJ, AQ, and any T. What hands would that guy be betting $10k with that phil could actually beat? Another AK maybe?? KK or AJ?? (not so likely with a $10k bet). It's a good laydown...but the combination of that guy's horrid tells AND the very dangerous board certainly don't qualify Phil's laydown as the end-all-be-all. Hell, I doubt it's even one of Phil's own personal best laydowns.
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#83
10-19-2005, 06:46 PM
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Re: \"Official\" ESPN Coverage of WSOP Main Event: 10/18
I thought the board was A44-Q
Regardless, it was quite the stellar laydown despite AA's terrible betting. Hellmuth goes broke vs. a competent player, imho.
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#86
10-19-2005, 08:56 PM
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Re: \"Official\" ESPN Coverage of WSOP Main Event: 10/18
[ QUOTE ]
I like the way ToP put it, there are only 3 actions every time you get your hand. Raising, Calling, and Folding A bet is simple a raise when the current bet is 0. A check is simple a call when the current bet is 0. [/ QUOTE ] Incorrect. You can't bet zero. Zero is a number, nothing is non existant. The bet is nothing because there is no bet. If you're at a game and say "I BET....zero", you're probably going to be required to make the minimum BET because you stated BET.
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#87
10-20-2005, 01:23 PM
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Re: \"Official\" ESPN Coverage of WSOP Main Event: 10/18
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[ QUOTE ] He has pretty much the nuts and he bets it so strong...what do you expect Phil is going to do? Reraise? [/ QUOTE ] Mike Sexton impression? How do you "reraise" a bet? You can only reraise a raise I thought. [/ QUOTE ] I should have said raise then. Thanks for correcting me. I appreciate it.
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#88
10-20-2005, 03:10 PM
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Re: \"Official\" ESPN Coverage of WSOP Main Event: 10/18
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Remember, when that Q came on the turn (they had both checked the flop) to make the board ATTQ Phil was now behind a wider range of hands including KJ, AQ, and any T. What hands would that guy be betting $10k with that phil could actually beat? Another AK maybe?? KK or AJ?? (not so likely with a $10k bet). It's a good laydown...but the combination of that guy's horrid tells AND the very dangerous board certainly don't qualify Phil's laydown as the end-all-be-all. Hell, I doubt it's even one of Phil's own personal best laydowns. [/ QUOTE ] Agreed about grandpa's tell waterfall on the turn and freakish 10K bet (I want to throw up thinking about it), but the board was A44Q at the time, so Phil was "only" losing to AA, QQ, and AQ. The Q on the turn really made this laydown much easier. Not "easy", but "easier". [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]BDH[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
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