$33- Overbetting from the blinds

[bones]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Hero (t795)
UTG (t790)
UTG+1 (t2290)
MP1 (t490)
MP2 (t308)
MP3 (t555)
CO (t1170)
Button (t887)
SB (t715)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
2 folds</font>, MP1 calls t30, 2 folds</font>, CO raises to t60</font>, Hero pushes for t795 3 folds</font>, CO folds.

Final Pot: t135

I almost never play my big hands this fast, especially against a min-raise. I've been toying around with the idea of firing out hard from the blinds pre-flop, especially in situations like this one. I'd like to get a little more value out of my queens, but I like the message that it sends. I have been getting more walks later on in games, which is huge.

Any thoughts on the metagame value of this vs. perhaps giving up some immediate EV by playing the hand more slowly?

[jeffraider]

Basically if you're playing as low as $33s any move that sacrifices immediate EV to send out a message, etc, is pretty bad, and if you're playing high enough that people are paying attention and will remember this type of move then it won't work very much and you're still cosing yourself immediate EV.

Too fancy!

[pergesu]

It'll get a good player to fold AK a lot of the time which is good for us. Donks will call little pairs all the way down through AJ. So we eliminate positional disadvantage vs solid players and get our money in with the way the best of it vs bad players.

If by fancy you mean pretty flippin smart, then I agree.

[jeffraider]

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It'll get a good player to fold AK a lot of the time which is good for us. Donks will call little pairs all the way down through AJ. So we eliminate positional disadvantage vs solid players and get our money in with the way the best of it vs bad players.

If by fancy you mean pretty flippin smart, then I agree.

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Here it is: This move folds most hands that your QQ will crush here. The amount of times you get called by 88 or whatever isn't going to make up for it. Why make a move where the guy basically HAS to play bad for you to make money?

[mmbt0ne]

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Here it is: This move folds most hands that your QQ will crush here. The amount of times you get called by 88 or whatever isn't going to make up for it. Why make a move where the guy basically HAS to play bad for you to make money?

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Here it is: you overestimate the donks.

[jeffraider]

Do you typically make 25BB pushes with QQ-AA?

You guys must hate money to like this line.

[bigt439]

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Here it is: This move folds most hands that your QQ will crush here. The amount of times you get called by 88 or whatever isn't going to make up for it. Why make a move where the guy basically HAS to play bad for you to make money?

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Here it is: you overestimate the donks.

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Metagame considerations at the 33's barely exist. And if metagame was a good reason for doing anything, this wouldn't be the place to do it. I don't think your opponents will relate level 2 play to level 5 bubble play the way you are hoping they will. I really think you're overestimating both how much your opponents think and how much this play would do for your image if they were thinking players. You typically don't want to be thought of as crazy or push happy in a sng anyways.

Also I don't love the push. I mean it's fine, but if you play well postflop (which you may or may not, that's where discretion comes in), I think you can make a smaller raise and play out the pot.

[bones]

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Why make a move where the guy basically HAS to play bad for you to make money?

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Cause that's how you make money playing poker?

[jeffraider]

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Why make a move where the guy basically HAS to play bad for you to make money?

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Cause that's how you make money playing poker?

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I make money by playing better than my opponents, not depending on them to be drooling retards praying that they pay off my massive overbet.

[mlagoo]

i will say that this looks like a lot either FPS or "LPS" (lazy player syndrome). this happens to me when I just don't really feel like screwing around after reraising and dealing with a K-high flop. usually i'm drunk.

while i don't think this is -EV, I think it probably isn't as +EV as just making a standard reraise here (something like 180, I guess). I do agree that you'll find a call here fairly often with 99-JJ, but I think, more often than not (and maybe, you know, 10x more often or whatever it would be to make this play not optimal), you will just get whats in the pot, which isnt too much.