how bad is this angle shoot?

[stinkypete]

err... i guess he didn't throw in enough chips to call. but that money still stays in the pot at least in most casinos. so the play is to wait to see if he throws in the rest of the chips or chucks his hand away.

[Schneids]

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err... i guess he didn't throw in enough chips to call. but that money still stays in the pot at least in most casinos. so the play is to wait to see if he throws in the rest of the chips or chucks his hand away.

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I don't know why Bob didn't just say it in his OP, but I was the victim the first time. Villain limped UTG, folded to me in the CO and I raised, he called and we were HU to flop. Flop A86 he check calls. Turn 5 he c/r me I 3 bet he calls. River 3 he checks, I bet, he sits there like 20 seconds thinking, throws three chips up into the air and out in front of them and says "big blind" while chips are in the air. However, I'm on the opposite side of the table as him (me seat 2, him seat 7), plus he is Asian and doesn't speak with the clearest accent, so I have no idea what he just said (at the time I'm assuming it's something like "nice hand" or "bad call" or "donation" or who knows what) and since I see he still has cards and there are chips in front of him, I flip up my cards because I think he's called. He then explains to the dealer he never called and was just putting out his BB for the next hand, then folds his cards, to which shockingly the dealer agrees (I did say outloud to the dealer "didn't he call there's chips on the table in front of him and he still has cards?").

The thing Bob also didn't mention is often when villain would call in other pots on the turn or river, he'd throw out 3 chips then another 3 chips. Not every time, but quite often yet, so this whole 3 chips motion didn't look too different than some other times when he WOULD call. I'm a proponent of keeping games moving quickly, so yeah, I guess because of that I got burned. I didn't make a stink out of it since he is otherwise someone I want to keep in the game because he doesn't play well and I figure there's a small chance he maybe gets up and leaves if I make a stink and try to insist on getting another $60, plus, I don't want to wait the two minutes for the floor to come over to the table and make a ruling (like how similarly, if there is ever a spot where I win a pot on the river and then a player claims he threw one chip too many in on the river call I always throw the caller a chip and tell the dealer to not bother counting it, unless I know for fact with 200% certainty I saw 6 chips go into the pot).

[TakeMeToTheRiver]

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err... i guess he didn't throw in enough chips to call. but that money still stays in the pot at least in most casinos. so the play is to wait to see if he throws in the rest of the chips or chucks his hand away.

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This is what I thought. If this player is still holding his cards, I would ask the dealer if he called or just wait until he throws his hand away. There is no reason to let this angle shoot work (more than once).

[B Dids]

I wish more people that played poker had your kind of attitude.

[Andy B]

He doesn't have to throw in enough chips to call. If he throws in one chip, that's a call. I assume that's how it works most places, and it's definitely how it works at Canterbury.

[Al_Capone_Junior]

I suggest a swift kick in the nuts as the best possible solution to this sort of thing. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

al

[Rick Nebiolo]

Thanks for the details. From your description this clearly is a brazen angle.

There is a type of player willing to lose a ton at the table as long as they can recoup their sense of esteem by pulling off successful angles. Often the best way to handle them is to play good defense and take advantage when you can.

~ Rick

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err... i guess he didn't throw in enough chips to call. but that money still stays in the pot at least in most casinos. so the play is to wait to see if he throws in the rest of the chips or chucks his hand away.

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I don't know why Bob didn't just say it in his OP, but I was the victim the first time. Villain limped UTG, folded to me in the CO and I raised, he called and we were HU to flop. Flop A86 he check calls. Turn 5 he c/r me I 3 bet he calls. River 3 he checks, I bet, he sits there like 20 seconds thinking, throws three chips up into the air and out in front of them and says "big blind" while chips are in the air. However, I'm on the opposite side of the table as him (me seat 2, him seat 7), plus he is Asian and doesn't speak with the clearest accent, so I have no idea what he just said (at the time I'm assuming it's something like "nice hand" or "bad call" or "donation" or who knows what) and since I see he still has cards and there are chips in front of him, I flip up my cards because I think he's called. He then explains to the dealer he never called and was just putting out his BB for the next hand, then folds his cards, to which shockingly the dealer agrees (I did say outloud to the dealer "didn't he call there's chips on the table in front of him and he still has cards?").

The thing Bob also didn't mention is often when villain would call in other pots on the turn or river, he'd throw out 3 chips then another 3 chips. Not every time, but quite often yet, so this whole 3 chips motion didn't look too different than some other times when he WOULD call. I'm a proponent of keeping games moving quickly, so yeah, I guess because of that I got burned. I didn't make a stink out of it since he is otherwise someone I want to keep in the game because he doesn't play well and I figure there's a small chance he maybe gets up and leaves if I make a stink and try to insist on getting another $60, plus, I don't want to wait the two minutes for the floor to come over to the table and make a ruling (like how similarly, if there is ever a spot where I win a pot on the river and then a player claims he threw one chip too many in on the river call I always throw the caller a chip and tell the dealer to not bother counting it, unless I know for fact with 200% certainty I saw 6 chips go into the pot).

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I ceratinly appreciate your attitude there about not upsetting the game. I think its unfortunate that the dealer didn't say something, because this is the sort of thing that really should not be allowed to continue. Even if the player is going to get away with the shot this time, I would like to see him corrected so that it does not happen again. And even worse is that other start to do it.