i doubt i made a single good move here

#1 11-03-2005, 03:13 AM

Hello all ... I doubt I did anything right in this hand, but am not sure what I should have done. I welcome you to pick this apart ... please.

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
4 folds, Hero raises, 3 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB calls.

River: (7.25 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero 3-bets, BB calls.

Final Pot: 13.25 BB

#2 11-03-2005, 03:14 AM

I forgot to mention that villain is tight (VP$ 9) aggressive (2.1)

El Ishmael · #3 11-03-2005, 03:17 AM

Looks okay. I want to say the river 3-bet is bad (don't show he just called next time) but I really can't see him playing an 8 this way, so I like it.

LoaferGee12 · #4 11-03-2005, 03:28 AM

Against a good player, I might just call the turn and pop most rivers. However, your line is fine and I think you played this hand well as a whole. The 3-bet is close but I agree that I don't see him playing an 8 like this. (QT can't be discounted, however)

What were you doing if you didn't improve on the turn?

#5 11-03-2005, 03:33 AM

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What were you doing if you didn't improve on the turn?

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I didn't have him on an 8, and figured I was in the lead. So I would have bet out on the river too, though wouldn't have 3 bet.

pryor15 · #6 11-03-2005, 03:35 AM

PF is perfect, so that's at least one thing you did right.

the rest looks ok, i think.

#7 11-03-2005, 03:43 AM

pre-flop raise: correct
flop: maybe a raise
turn: raise is good
river: call down his raise.

actually, I think villain played it worse.

Also, show your river action like this:

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River: (7.25 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero ???

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or better yet:

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River: (7.25 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero ???

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This way, it does not reveal the result.

#8 11-03-2005, 03:46 AM

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pre-flop raise: correct
flop: maybe a raise
turn: raise is good
river: call down his raise.

actually, I think villain played it worse.

Also, show your river action like this:

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River: (7.25 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero ???

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or better yet:

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River: (7.25 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero ???

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This way, it does not reveal the result.

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Thanks for advice on play and posting. Still trying to learn the ropes here.

#9 11-03-2005, 03:53 AM

Heading to bed, so here is the conclusion ... villian held Q10s, for a straight.

I suppose his not capping the river was out of fear i had a full boat.

TomBrooks · #10 11-03-2005, 05:16 AM

Wrote a long detailed post and lost it. Bummer.

Key Points.

FLOP:

-Your best action here probably to fold.

- BB's most likely holdings are a Jack, T9, or an eight, in that order. Getting 5:1 is not enough to continue.

- I figured a Jack makes you a 7:1 dog with six outs, but Poker Stove puts a BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] as only a 3:1 favorite. I don't know why. Can anyone advise?

- You could try a peel but proceed causiously if you make your hand.

TURN:
- Your not being causious....
- Just call. BB will fold a Jack here if you raise, so your raise accomplishes little.
- When BB calls the turn raise, put him on an eight or T9 for the OESD.

- Edit after reading thread: I didn't think about QT. This is a little hard to spot and I missed it. BB semi-bluffed the flop for a small bet with a gutshot but semi-bluffs again on the turn improved to an OESD.

- The concept I pointed out on the flop is illustrated here though. 8J on the flop makes some straights which was a reason for you to tend towards folding there.

RIVER:
- BB knows you have a King from your turn raise. He will not call without an eight or some better hand than your King. Check this through.
- Calling the checkraise is not necessary.
- Making a reraise bluff attempt is not going to work unless you knew Villian to be capable of a making a big laydown and you believed he believed you to be a player who would never bluff.