Okay call down w/ TT? - Page 2

ShortStack · #11 09-21-2005, 02:58 AM

I agree with Bank and Einbert. I think reraising with TT is fine, then check/call the flop and turn. But with the river card J, I'd check/fold.

BreakEvenPlayer · #12 09-21-2005, 03:32 AM

Folding this river is pretty bad, for reasons already stated.

einbert · #13 09-21-2005, 03:39 AM

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Folding this river is pretty bad, for reasons already stated.

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Unfortunately there aren't any.

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BreakEvenPlayer · #14 09-21-2005, 04:26 AM

Hi einbert,

I have three posts (now four) in this thread. My last one-liner was referring to my other two posts in this same thread which explained my position on the entire hand.

From reading your post I fear that you have serious tilt issues. There are wonderful people in the Psychology forum who can help you out.

BreakEvenPlayer · #15 09-21-2005, 04:31 AM

Please excuse the sarcasm in my last post. I just reread your post einbert and I'm just going to come out and say you're a real tool.

ThePenguin · #16 09-21-2005, 04:37 AM

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Folding this river is pretty bad, for reasons already stated.

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Unfortunately there aren't any.

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Hmmm...

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the thing is... those PFR numbers can be very misleading. I've played with guys who shorthanded have numbers like 19/9, and they raise A6o UTG. I've also played with guys who are 50/2, but will never raise a pocket pair.

with that PFR of 13, we really don't know what this guy is capping. i believe this guy is capable of betting the whole way with a pocket pair below ours or maybe an Ax that hit the x. i call this down, why make the hand difficult against a crappy player who's decisions aren't always logical?

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That looks suspiciously like reasoning to me.

Megenoita · #17 09-21-2005, 04:43 AM

Wrong. I specifically put him on A high or a lower pp because it's mathematically much less likely that he actually hit the only over card to my pair on the board than that he has A high or a pp. I knew I could be beaten b/c of the cap, but I've also seen mid pps and overs cap HU.

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Megenoita · #18 09-21-2005, 04:49 AM

Not only that, but it's a strategic maneuver to cap HU when you were 3-bet. I try to do it once an hour and a half at a table where I'm pretty frequently 3-bet by 32/20 types. It provides additional fold equity. So sometimes when I'm HU and I'm 3-bet, I'll cap with A high-good kicker (usually Q) or 77-88. I've found that they give up the hand on the flop much more readily.

Here, I could "feel" that this guy's cap was suspicious. You know, it's hard to tell online exactly what it is...it could be that he capped very quickly, or that 2 hands ago I subconsciously noted that he 3-bet the turn and folded the river, or something like that.

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TomBrooks · #19 09-21-2005, 04:55 AM

Grunched

I don't see what capping hand your beating with a King on the flop - I fold.

In what I would think is the rare event that button is overplaying some other Broadways, you're hand is pretty vulnerable anyway.

ThePenguin · #20 09-21-2005, 04:58 AM

Thanks for your input Magenoita. I understand the maneuver, but I think I have trouble applying it or reacting correctly to it unless i am running well. Otherwise, the cap scares the bejesus out of me unless I've seen the guy do it to me or someone else and I get suspicious. Maybe you should include your subconcious reads in future posts. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

I would still like to hear more feedback on this hand since it's a situation with which I find myself having trouble. Does anybody other than BreakEvenPlayer or Einbert care to respond?